tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post1585471893714257922..comments2024-03-10T21:35:32.778+11:00Comments on 3++ is the new black. | Kirb your enthusiasm!: Email in: Mass Riflemen Dreads list [1850]Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-90323027439428152172010-10-03T09:11:58.536+11:002010-10-03T09:11:58.536+11:00While I do think these lists are cool, I have to a...While I do think these lists are cool, I have to admit I find them weak. 125 points for 2 autocannons is very expensive, and IG can do it much cheaper, but still needs lots and lots of more dakka. <br />The lack of close combat and limited mobility will make this slow list to more often than not, end up in a disastrous melee, where you have nothing that saves you from disaster.<br />The first list has roughly the same staying power and firepower as a 1000 pts IG list. The second one just makes it more easy win for a cc or horde list, as charging (and killing) the bikers will bring the heavy hitters closer to the dreads.<br /><br />Cool, but not goodGonka Koffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14049946103026572477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-80773068869906611162010-08-10T10:21:04.795+10:002010-08-10T10:21:04.795+10:00Okay, I see three problems with the first 800 poin...Okay, I see three problems with the first 800 points. First, you have no reliable answer to Power Armor, second you have no reliable answer to armor 13/14, third you can't answer hordes. That isn't bad, as you can fill those holes reasonably easily. <br /><br />Lib - Null Zone, Avenger<br />MotF - Conversion Beamer<br />5x Gun Dread<br />1x PC TLA dread<br /><br />10 Tac Marines (PC,Melta,PW), Razor w/LasPlas<br />10 Tac Marines (PC,Plas) Raz w/LasPlas<br />5 Insquisitorial Stormtroopers (w/Plasma Gun)<br /><br />2xLS w/MM,HF<br />2xLS w/MM,HF<br /><br />There's an okay CC blob to stick the Librarian in, so he can ride forward in the transport and deliver his STR 10 blast if he wants (or stay home for a bit). <br /><br />There's 5 scoring units. And you can't safely ignore the Stormtroopers since they can pop a plas if you rush in. <br /><br />Plasma Cannons are perfect for what this army is best at - transport killing. A dead transport disgorges the perfect targets for a nice Plasma Cannon blast. <br /><br />Landspeeders obviously fill the two voids in the army - hordes and armor 13/14. <br /><br />If you don't want to use Allies, I'm honestly stumped as to what to do with the last 60 points, and I don't want to spend them in random upgrades. Really, if they remove those from the next DH codex, I'll badly miss 'em.GreyICEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16068050095805271795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-33549748218514506962010-08-09T07:18:57.531+10:002010-08-09T07:18:57.531+10:00@Taak; you don't have enough points to do both...@Taak; you don't have enough points to do both :P. If you roll the Speeders to MM/HF's you do which is fine. Combi-flamers are also a fine choice over HKM's.<br /><br />@Brent; I posted it! nanana lol. Say hi to Thomas.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-25742391870050931842010-08-09T04:25:42.211+10:002010-08-09T04:25:42.211+10:00Crazy stuff - me and Goatboy have been yakking lis...Crazy stuff - me and Goatboy have been yakking list-talk via email and this was one of the lists we came up with.<br /><br />Ours was a bit different; basically it was a MoF on Bike w the CB, a Captain for the Command Squad which went on bikes, and other assorted goodness, similar to the thinking in the lists here.<br /><br />I think a Rifleman Spam would devastate a lot of armies. <br /><br />BrentBrenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07426628265866457542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-88643119326408180062010-08-09T04:19:05.043+10:002010-08-09T04:19:05.043+10:00The one thing that I don't like about the firs...The one thing that I don't like about the first list is the lack of meltas and flamers. That list is very similar to the list I made, only difference is the speeders which I gave mm/hf and the serg's combis.islyfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11724650409736136505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-64594172443983583002010-08-08T19:35:18.258+10:002010-08-08T19:35:18.258+10:002 alternate suggestions to the first list Kirb'...2 alternate suggestions to the first list Kirb's, firstly drop the HKM's and throw the MotF on a Bike (as he works so much better ona Bike and due to the set up of the army anyways even dropping him with 5 tacky Marines as fodder bodyguard isn't gonna help him survive as long as manouvrability and the ability to move and fire the Conversion Beamer on the move. 2nd suggestion is Combi-flamers instead of HKM's. The reason is, as witha razorwolf force or another critical mass style force, is that occasionally you will face a mega shit tonne of infantry and the list doesn't have the ability to deal with such numbers effectively. 4 combi-flamers will help immensely here.Auretious Taakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09261337221609987048noreply@blogger.com