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Thanks for the fol...Wasn't aware I was unhappy. Thanks for the folk psychology.<br /><br />My definition of a death star is not "has to do well for an army despite the rest of the force's disposition." Go look and read again (like about the whole survivable and being able to damage things bit). The unit doesn't have survivability. You're giving black and white examples again (Vt2 does this too the douche :P) and I never said I didn't like the unit. Reading comprehension fail again.<br /><br />I like how 10 tacs get flamed and 3.3 die as well. Seems like your math is off as well. <br /><br />Try posting something of use. Myabe this time it will get through to you.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-90127589340402888782010-09-30T18:22:56.461+10:002010-09-30T18:22:56.461+10:00Ah Kirby, so charming, bring the personal slights....Ah Kirby, so charming, bring the personal slights...so you're the go-to for definitions of what a death star is? Even by your own system, 'ard boyz and grotsnik can outpunch all of the super units you've listed. And in a normal game, odds are, Lootas will crush your AV 12 Vendettas the first time they fire. If not the first round, then round 2. My orks will have moved all of 12" before your bait unit is dead, unless you want to use something really expensive, like Thunderwolves for SW players. <br /><br />"Oh wait, I'm IG, I have pie plates to kill those 30 orks." You're not going to bag more than a handful, less than you expect, especially with KFF near, and they are always fearless. <br /><br />"I can run you all over the field"...this is seldom the case,even with great players. A wide front allows you to still provide blocking for your boys, even if they do follow a vendette for a turn or two.<br /><br /><br />"It’s not a deathstar unit because it sucks and well it sucks. Last time I checked, something which died to a flamer on a 4+ wasn’t “hard to stop”"<br /><br />AAHAHAH. It sucks because you don't LIKE it? So you aim a flamer and hit ten boyz (Probably less with disperal, none if I'm in melee with you...half of those are 4+ armor save'd, then half of those are FNP'd. 2.5 dead from 30 is pretty poor vs orks. The same # of TAC's get flamed, you still lose 3.3 who are more expensive.<br /><br />Your defintion says a deathstar has to do well for an army despite the rest of the force's disposition (damaged or kicking ass). This unit fills that bill. Just get over your disdain for orks. You'll be happier for it.40K + T&Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09058918571922538449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-77217330530152170412010-09-28T14:44:05.295+10:002010-09-28T14:44:05.295+10:00Ah da warboss, your comments just make me so glad ...Ah da warboss, your comments just make me so glad you don't come here often. Where's that definition from? Try here for what a deathstar/super unit really is (http://kirbysblog-ic.blogspot.com/2010/08/comparison-super-units-vs-posers.html) but not sucking would be a good start. And 30 orks isn’t going to smash everything and is very easy to stop, especially in 5th edition. Grotsnik doesn’t make this easier. Having a huge deployment is great for defenses but not for a deathstar. Look I can combat drag you the whole entire length of the field and effectively ignore your PK nob and/or Grotsnik. It’s not a deathstar unit because it sucks and well it sucks. Last time I checked, something which died to a flamer on a 4+ wasn’t “hard to stop” and S4 + some S9 on combat has a hard time against mech or high T targets if you can get everyone into combat.<br /><br />I also love how you believe Vendettas are never going to survive past T2 against Orks and that someone is going to scout melta vets into your face when you've blocked off your own movement. Last time I checked IG outshoot Orks.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-48410632864618437922010-09-28T13:58:04.843+10:002010-09-28T13:58:04.843+10:00@ Kirby: "deathstar unit- a unit in 40K that ...@ Kirby: "deathstar unit- a unit in 40K that smashed though everything it comes up against and is very hard to stop." Nothing in there size limitation, or requiring mobility like Assault termies being stuck in a landraider, or affecting a tiny area of the game surface. So yeah, it IS a deathstar unit, in that it's very ahrd to stop and can kill just about anything.40K + T&Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09058918571922538449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-32622652045589751392010-09-28T13:53:02.748+10:002010-09-28T13:53:02.748+10:00Well Greyice, lets see, you're covering 60&quo...Well Greyice, lets see, you're covering 60" of deployment with a full mob...your scout moving vendetta won't do crap to stop the unit from providing the cover the wide line makes for 2-3 rds...and your vendette won't last 1.40K + T&Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09058918571922538449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-75310782412210726142010-09-26T03:33:57.858+10:002010-09-26T03:33:57.858+10:00Warpheads as Elites + SAG Meks = OMGROFLMAO!!!
I w...Warpheads as Elites + SAG Meks = OMGROFLMAO!!!<br />I wish that was possible. : (<br /><br /> I run a Battlewagon Rush/Meganobz army, with Ghazzie and another Mega Warboss. Not super-competetive (or competetive in any way) but they are really neat to scratchbuild and convert and they perform okay in the local stomping grounds. <br /><br /> Cool article by the way, keep 'em coming! :DMumblezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11576242510139958362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-38160092580276712322010-09-23T11:43:38.657+10:002010-09-23T11:43:38.657+10:00Its certainly an interesting deathstar concept... ...Its certainly an interesting deathstar concept... but I would only really want to run it as part of a Green Tide, and well, we all know how that ends up :)festerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08696875815801425052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-61360232820656020952010-09-23T10:24:25.114+10:002010-09-23T10:24:25.114+10:00I wish the boyz would line up in 'deathstars&#...I wish the boyz would line up in 'deathstars' against my predators' fire.<br />Like world war 1 all over.VT2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13922615677851541327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-42703145525450855242010-09-23T01:47:54.751+10:002010-09-23T01:47:54.751+10:00Oh Kirby, it gets so very much better than that.
...Oh Kirby, it gets so very much better than that.<br /><br />A wide faced deployment to screen your units that charges right out of my fire lanes if I scout a Vendetta at Flat Out. Have to go after the nearest unit, go bug that Vendetta! Then I can take out 400 points worth of models with a scout movement. It's basically Christmas.<br /><br />@Fester: I usually run a kind-of MegaArmor Warboss. Okay, spoiler: It's Ghaz. But he's just a Megarmor warboss with all the bells and whistles - give one every upgrade and you'll see the similarity.<br /><br />Ghaz has some important things on ultra-boss, an extra wound, Eternal Warrior (Railgun this!), 2 attacks on the charge, 2 rounds of 2++ in combat, the non-random WAAAUUUGGHHHH. Totally worth it. But if you want to go cheap, I recommend the 2+, it's the much more reliable of the two (I can count the number of times the 5++ has saved me on maybe one hand. The 2+, that's what makes him badass. The 2++? How else are you killing termies again, Fearless downgrade hurts the boyz mobs A LOT there).GreyICEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16068050095805271795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-54054646530282172092010-09-22T22:55:02.290+10:002010-09-22T22:55:02.290+10:00Wait. A wide face deployment with 30 guys as a dea...Wait. A wide face deployment with 30 guys as a deathstar? <br /><br />el oh el.<br /><br />Once again Warboss you show your vast intellect :).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-81426067378518700272010-09-22T21:28:45.230+10:002010-09-22T21:28:45.230+10:00Am I the only one who find the constant references...Am I the only one who find the constant references to non-consentual sex in regard to losing in games a bit distasteful? Is it similar to how gay doesn't mean gay anymore, but stupid or somesuch? (Which I also find a bit rude, but I'm probably a prude).Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17510272090709725537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-10550646895167172922010-09-22T19:42:52.775+10:002010-09-22T19:42:52.775+10:00Chumby, u must have tried orks and just got your a...Chumby, u must have tried orks and just got your ass beat while playing them. (Or you got prison-raped when fighting them). Orks don't suck by any means if you're a good general. I win with them a lot more than I lose. There isn't an army they can't have a great chance of wasting on any map that isn't a flat plane. Fester, great article. Tell em all how 30 ard boyz with Grotsnik and a WIDE-faced deployment is the ultimate Deathstar!40K + T&Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09058918571922538449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-51012292388470175152010-09-22T16:58:04.852+10:002010-09-22T16:58:04.852+10:00Of course... once we move onto Elites, we will be ...Of course... once we move onto Elites, we will be adding FNP to that mathhammer :) Then the Mega-Armor gets powahful!<br /><br />I admit I never run a MA Warboss, as mine always ends up running around on foot chasing squads after dismounting.<br /><br />GreyICE, you have given me something to think about.festerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08696875815801425052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-65595300505811938022010-09-22T16:37:21.733+10:002010-09-22T16:37:21.733+10:00Just math, in case anyone is wondering, Grey Hunte...Just math, in case anyone is wondering, Grey Hunters hit on 4s, wound on 5s, so they'd take 27 attacks to kill him with a 5++, and 108 (i.e. NO) with a 2+. This is true for any marine splat. The power weapon in the squad is only really having 1 attack in 6 land anyway, so you're at far more danger from the bolter butts. If Sarge has a power fist, it's still about even assuming volumes of attack, and recently, Sarge has not been getting a power fist (it's very possible to play keep away with your warboss when you do charge, the models have to be in base-to-base). <br /><br />You ain't winning versus termies, but a 5++ is not turning around that sad, sorry matchup.GreyICEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16068050095805271795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-4342399753258264052010-09-22T16:36:31.458+10:002010-09-22T16:36:31.458+10:00This comment has been removed by the author.GreyICEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16068050095805271795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-83130253826805566272010-09-22T16:31:12.155+10:002010-09-22T16:31:12.155+10:00@Fester: If the banshees land 3 6s on him that qui...@Fester: If the banshees land 3 6s on him that quickly, the 5++ isn't helping, because the dice gods have decided to kick you in the crotch repeatedly, and 5++ never helps against that. Other than that, they're at 4s to hit, 6s to wound, so they land 1 shot in 12. That's 36 hits to send home the warboss. Yeah, that's fucking not happening before the little ladies are stone dead. <br /><br />Meanwhile the 2+ is pretty goddamn solid against things like Space Wolves and Blood Angels which can deep six the ol' boy with a lot of bolter butts. <br /><br />And if you really need your 5++ you can always just buy it, you're paying 40 points for a power klaw (25 normally), a 2+ save, and a TL Shoota. That's 15 points for the 2+ and bolt pistol upgrade. Though if you're doing that, you might as well just throw in the extra 90 or so points and get Ghaz.GreyICEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16068050095805271795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-27216553368778636622010-09-22T14:51:04.990+10:002010-09-22T14:51:04.990+10:00@Kirby: Green is good, Red is bad. Regardless of t...@Kirby: Green is good, Red is bad. Regardless of the text :)<br /><br />@GreyICE: I only run a basic warboss, and it only takes 3 6's from the Banshees to kill him. It happens!festerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08696875815801425052noreply@blogger.com