tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post286548270441970315..comments2024-03-10T21:35:32.778+11:00Comments on 3++ is the new black. | Kirb your enthusiasm!: Tyrannofex AnalysisAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-67642941047327990572010-08-10T22:59:24.634+10:002010-08-10T22:59:24.634+10:00T-Fex:
shooting at AV 14
hit 3/6
pen 1/3
destroy 2...T-Fex:<br />shooting at AV 14<br />hit 3/6<br />pen 1/3<br />destroy 2/6<br />6/108 + [102/108 x 6/108] or 17/324<br />35/324<br />10.8%<br /><br />bs4 Las Cannon: 3.7%<br />tl bs3 Rail Gun: 14.58%<br /><br />+++<br /><br />It's just old-thinking, again. People want their armies to be a cut and paste of last Codex plus extra amazing.<br />They then run a list that is not of optimum calibration and feel they have been cheated by GW.<br />The only thing doing the cheating is their entrenched attitudes.<br /><br />Like the baby elephant and the stake. The elephant grew up with the knowledge that it could not break away from the stake. Its thinking remains that way unto death, despite being many times more powerful and even with a bigger and more able brain.<br />We trap ourselves.Marshal Wilhelmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08274955398809519542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-89701520598167918562010-08-06T17:09:23.486+10:002010-08-06T17:09:23.486+10:00T-fex's are great. A bit on the expensive sid...T-fex's are great. A bit on the expensive side but the only real choice once you have run out of Elite slots for ranged anti-tank. I use one every game.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-18167290460876779262010-08-06T14:40:59.987+10:002010-08-06T14:40:59.987+10:00Play some games against Eldar, Jumper Marines, Dae...Play some games against Eldar, Jumper Marines, Daemons, DE, etc. Then ask yourself how useful Tempest would of been :P.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-78510255178143797722010-08-06T12:49:54.613+10:002010-08-06T12:49:54.613+10:00Not a Yank so can't watch the Adult Swim. How ...Not a Yank so can't watch the Adult Swim. How annoying.<br /><br />I've used Jaws in a few games and I've grown fond of it so I'll play a few more games with it. I haven't found there to be occasions where I would have preferred other powers to be honest.<br /><br />LL with its infinite range is silly for outshooting tanks and Jaws' sniping and ability to take out supporting monsters that I wouldn't otherwise be able to damage has proven very useful.Stormyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10527705644047298716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-62339222512334869052010-08-05T22:53:58.360+10:002010-08-05T22:53:58.360+10:00>Eh?
http://video.adultswim.com/sealab-2021/a...>Eh? <br /><br />http://video.adultswim.com/sealab-2021/a-tale-of-two-debbies.html<br /><br />>I'm actually fond of Jaws as an all-round power for pot-shotting things that I'll have trouble cracking in combat like Thunder Shield Termies: if you hit 3 guys with I4 one of them dies. Its had its uses when Living Lightning wouldn't have done the job. <br /><br />The thing is, against those same guys, most other powers would do similar amounts of damage, if not more. Murderous Hurricane will fuck up those Terminators pretty good and insure that they don't get into your lines. (It averages ~1 casualty from the initial hit and then a variable number of additional kills depending on the size of the squad.)AbusePuppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07413248837734103198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-86279197151336265012010-08-05T05:07:57.123+10:002010-08-05T05:07:57.123+10:00(Are you Black Stormy or White Stormy? :P )
Eh?
...(Are you Black Stormy or White Stormy? :P )<br />Eh? <br /><br />I'm actually fond of Jaws as an all-round power for pot-shotting things that I'll have trouble cracking in combat like Thunder Shield Termies: if you hit 3 guys with I4 one of them dies. Its had its uses when Living Lightning wouldn't have done the job.Stormyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10527705644047298716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-79840197995148281072010-08-04T17:55:20.504+10:002010-08-04T17:55:20.504+10:00<3 Puppy. Emphasis on Jaws' lack of utility...<3 Puppy. Emphasis on Jaws' lack of utility against other armies. Tempest, Hurricane, Lightning and Storm Caller are all so much better.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-80464815150021939252010-08-04T14:12:11.723+10:002010-08-04T14:12:11.723+10:00Jaws is:
A) Rare, as Stormy points out. (Are you ...Jaws is:<br /><br />A) Rare, as Stormy points out. (Are you Black Stormy or White Stormy? :P ) You aren't going to see it all that much.<br /><br />B) Only medium range. If you're facing SW, put your 'Fex at the back of the army and don't advance it while the Priest is alive.<br /><br />C) On a T4/3+ character. That means he's either sitting in Rhino (so shake it and ignore) or outside of a Rhino (charge him, kill everything). Remember, he's going to be within 24" of your T-Fex, which is at the back of the board, so he's probably within 18" of the rest of your forces- or closer.<br /><br />D) Marginal. Who is it good against? Tyranids and Orks. Also Plague Marines, I guess. That's basically it. Good players bring Living Lighting, Murderous Hurricane, Tempest's Wrath, Storm Caller, etc- these are all good powers and you should respect them. Jaws is a sucker bet that you'll play one of two particular armies.<br /><br />And yes, it can threaten other units (Tervigons, most notably, but also Hive Guard, etc), so do the same thing you do with T-Fexes and keep them out of the way. It necessitates playing around, but it's not the end-all be-all of powers.AbusePuppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07413248837734103198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-61610319544690020372010-08-04T03:05:15.647+10:002010-08-04T03:05:15.647+10:00Motherfucking Kirby stealing my ideas:
http://touc...Motherfucking Kirby stealing my ideas:<br />http://touchedbygreatness.blogspot.com/2010/07/tyranidsaurus-fex.html<br />Bad Kirby, bad. :P<br /><br />I'm sure there's a joke in there about theft and Aussie convict ancestors somewhere...<br /><br />I'm in complete agreement with you on how good the T-Fex is and I'm glad that you're able to explain how it fits into a list (synergy) as opposed to treating it in isolation and poo-pooing it's stats.<br /><br />@Alex: There's only 1 army in the game that has Jaws. 1. Against the 13 or so others you won't have the same problem. If you're terrified of facing it there are contingencies that you need in your list to try to stop it e.g. Deathleaper. While it is terrifying for T-Fexes there are ways to combat it - you don't *need* to be within 24" of a Rune Priest for the Fex to be useful unlike, say, a Trygon.Stormyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10527705644047298716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-74617028483833396542010-08-04T02:56:34.920+10:002010-08-04T02:56:34.920+10:00Personally, I always wanted to run 200+ Hormagaunt...Personally, I always wanted to run 200+ Hormagaunts at stuff, until it died.<br /><br />That's pretty much my only draw to Nids...but using Orks AS Nids, that's different entirely. One day, I will have an Orks army for every Codex. THEN we'll see who knows what.TheKing Elessarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04981821487098781957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-6782615532694021962010-08-04T02:10:19.251+10:002010-08-04T02:10:19.251+10:00Personally Kirby, I think you summed up the entire...Personally Kirby, I think you summed up the entire issue quite well with this:<br /><br />"People still hate them. Don't know why, maybe they just don't get the Tyranid codex."<br /><br />As Ishmael said, he and I are the only people at our FGS that actually think they are anything but shit, and we don't even play Nids lol. I have one friend who after being convinced to try Hive Guard (and loving them)is now trying the T-fex. Of course, his first game using it was against Horde Orks and he was "less than impressed" but any real results are gained through multiple games.<br /><br />I have talked to multiple Nid players at my FGS (both of the ones I frequent) and they are all still stuck in their 4th edition codex, while trying their damndest to view the 5th Ed book in the same light.<br /><br />Nid players, you have a new book now. Your army has changed (for the better). It is no longer all about either max Horm troops and Stealers or whatever or Nidzilla (which wasn't all that hot to begin with).<br /><br />Nid players also seem to not like owning up to the fact that their army has to actually shoot. While I can understand this perfectly (Stelek's best of shooty Nid list is great, but I wouldn't play it) it is just the reality of the army now. Try to fix it yourself, adapt to the new book, or get the f' out.Meister_Kaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08328762649267641369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-5165568258193247922010-08-04T01:24:49.076+10:002010-08-04T01:24:49.076+10:00At 2000 points I'm torn between a 3rd Tyrannof...At 2000 points I'm torn between a 3rd Tyrannofex of a 3rd Tervigon as both effectively cost me a Carnifex it makes little difference from a financial point of view.<br />Some more playtesting would seem to be in order unless anybody else has any insights one way or the other?Gmorts Chaoticahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00018939871578423347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-70189649352650942010-08-04T00:58:55.947+10:002010-08-04T00:58:55.947+10:00People don't seem to realise that it's the...People don't seem to realise that it's the only thing to EVER get multiple S10 shots. It's incredible.<br /><br />When I convert my TyranOrks, I will have 3 of these bad boys from 1750 up.TheKing Elessarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04981821487098781957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-30905208610482464962010-08-03T23:16:40.430+10:002010-08-03T23:16:40.430+10:00Until people here get their heads out of their ass...Until people here get their heads out of their asses and field T-Fexes, I'm not going to fear 'nid anti-tank. Hive Guard are fantastic, but if that str 10 gets through my dpod I'm in the deep end of the pool without floaties.<br /><br />Myself and one other person advocate it at my flgs.Ishamaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15275252157445215532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-44803939700745836972010-08-03T22:56:16.613+10:002010-08-03T22:56:16.613+10:00People splashed the premium points on blinged carn...People splashed the premium points on blinged carnifex with big guns in the last codex.<br /><br />It does the exact same thing as the old monster, but has a much, much, much better gun, and much, much better firepower in general.VT2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13922615677851541327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-61700985215849496872010-08-03T22:22:46.076+10:002010-08-03T22:22:46.076+10:00I still think they suck. Hell, Id never pay 250+ p...I still think they suck. Hell, Id never pay 250+ pts for those shots. Yes they can come in use but not for that many points. And with the amount of wolf players with jaws running around nowa-days they become even less reliable!Killswitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03870259848881215847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-34910857539555103282010-08-03T19:50:03.526+10:002010-08-03T19:50:03.526+10:00Purely on paper the t-fex is pretty average, but.....Purely on paper the t-fex is pretty average, but... valueing a unit you need to consider how it fits into the army. The parts individually may seem poor vlaue (certainly not Hive guard!), but the whole is so much more than the sum of the parts. As Kirby says they can lend a hand in HTH, provide cover, suppress or even destroy vehicles of all sizes, put a decent hurt on infantry close up, also its firepower can never be negated by hoods or other psychic defences, It also has the unprecidented (for nids) range to reachout and touch vehicles across the board. All of these points are already covered above, in comparison to vehicles it shoots and fights to full efficiency till its last wound (never shaken!).<br /><br />I cannot deny the HTH killiness of a trygon, but as a utiliy creature the T-fex is tops, and that is why you pay top points for it!. FOS wise it frees up the elites a little for a deathleaper or other finese (the ymgarls are highly underrated online). Actually I will elaborate, the ymgarls are underrated because of mech... but by the 2-3 turn when they arrive you should have demeched a bunch of stuff (or just charge those longfangs/dev / broadsides/ etc). I have enjoyed success with the good old ymgarls, but truth be told i still prefer Hive guard. <br /><br />Army wise I think fielding one T-fex although lacking redundancy will help draw more fire/ force errors in target selection more than 2 T-fex would. The other heavy I would then field would be a trygon for punch.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434382459126453054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-8842998536405747252010-08-03T19:21:27.564+10:002010-08-03T19:21:27.564+10:00I'm fairly new to Tyranid's, I normally us...I'm fairly new to Tyranid's, I normally use a Marine variant of some kind so it's been a steep learning curve I must admit.<br /><br />I've been doing it as a sort of 'learn from my mistakes' project on my own blog.<br /><br />I've been using this list for a month or so now,<br /><br />1750 Pts - Tyranids Roster - Tyranid Test list<br /><br />HQ: The Swarmlord (1#, 280 pts)<br />1 The Swarmlord @ 280 pts<br /><br />: Tyrant Guard Brood (2#, 130 pts)<br />2 Tyrant Guard Brood @ 130 pts (Lash Whip)<br /><br />Elite: Hive Guard Brood (2#, 100 pts)<br />2 Hive Guard Brood @ 100 pts<br /><br />Elite: Hive Guard Brood (2#, 100 pts)<br />2 Hive Guard Brood @ 100 pts<br /><br />Elite: Hive Guard Brood (2#, 100 pts)<br />2 Hive Guard Brood @ 100 pts<br /><br />Troops: Tervigon (1#, 195 pts)<br />1 Tervigon @ 195 pts (Adrenal Glands; Toxin Sacs; Catalyst)<br /><br />Troops: Tervigon (1#, 195 pts)<br />1 Tervigon @ 195 pts (Adrenal Glands; Toxin Sacs; Catalyst)<br /><br />Troops: Termagant Brood (10#, 60 pts)<br />9 Termagant Brood @ 60 pts<br />1 Termagant (Strangleweb)<br /><br />Troops: Termagant Brood (10#, 60 pts)<br />9 Termagant Brood @ 60 pts<br />1 Termagant (Strangleweb)<br /><br />Heavy Support: Tyrannofex (1#, 265 pts)<br />1 Tyrannofex @ 265 pts (Rupture Cannon; Cluster Spines; Thorax Swarm (larvae))<br /><br />Heavy Support: Tyrannofex (1#, 265 pts)<br />1 Tyrannofex @ 265 pts (Rupture Cannon; Cluster Spines; Thorax Swarm (larvae))<br /><br />Total Roster Cost: 1750<br /><br />And to be honest the Tyrannofex's have been the star performer in many of the games I've played.<br /><br />Some pictures of my Tyrannofex can be found at the following link if anybodies interested.<br /><br />http://gmortschaotica.blogspot.com/2010/07/tyranid-project-part-4-tyrannofex.htmlGmorts Chaoticahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00018939871578423347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-60633690415735205082010-08-03T17:22:18.475+10:002010-08-03T17:22:18.475+10:00Ok, hmm... Agreed, nidz are a good army. Top-notch...Ok, hmm... Agreed, nidz are a good army. Top-notch, maybe not, but definately competetive and tourney-worthy. I also agree that the internet seems to have a very negative view. However, I'm not a personal fan of the tyrannofex, favouring triple-trygon myself. I think it comes down to personal preference, since both units are quite solid.Kildashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00880186256992590812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-9068411601173346072010-08-03T16:01:37.665+10:002010-08-03T16:01:37.665+10:00They should be a protected species.
Endangered by...They should be a protected species. <br />Endangered by the Interwebz. <br /><br />If I could comfortably fit 2 at 1500, I would run them without a second thought. <br /><br />Agree 100% with you Kirby. <br />Oh, did your survey thing too after Dethtron posted about it. Interesting.Venerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-7054083053515614192010-08-03T15:43:07.312+10:002010-08-03T15:43:07.312+10:00Just need to figureout how I am going to convert m...Just need to figureout how I am going to convert mine, then it will see a lot of field play(I have a screamer killer fex that I converted into a tervigon with good success. Going to do something similar with the tyranofexAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-91886243659548969692010-08-03T14:40:04.336+10:002010-08-03T14:40:04.336+10:00I agree. I dont play 'nids but ive always love...I agree. I dont play 'nids but ive always loved the T-Fex.they do what Carnies used to IMO.AppleJackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13728406170029046441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-85756517546783276092010-08-03T14:22:27.064+10:002010-08-03T14:22:27.064+10:00LEAVE T-FEXES ALONE!!LEAVE T-FEXES ALONE!!Chumbalayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15543857960730597490noreply@blogger.com