tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post431333589836952739..comments2024-03-10T21:35:32.778+11:00Comments on 3++ is the new black. | Kirb your enthusiasm!: BoLS & Wound AllocationAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-7281810698497283302010-08-25T16:59:26.258+10:002010-08-25T16:59:26.258+10:00http://imperial-life.blogspot.com/2010/08/wound-al...http://imperial-life.blogspot.com/2010/08/wound-allocation-bols-kirby-mawr.html<br /><br />Brent! Your turn damnit.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-75267989842072671332010-08-25T12:23:37.435+10:002010-08-25T12:23:37.435+10:00for the lol's:
http://hobbyinfobythekingeless...for the lol's:<br /><br />http://hobbyinfobythekingelessar.blogspot.com/2010/08/iamaddjkirbymkerr-triple-snowmobile11.htmlAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-11445192772237156732010-08-19T20:55:38.728+10:002010-08-19T20:55:38.728+10:00TKE - hurry up already. I never got around to doin...TKE - hurry up already. I never got around to doing what I thought last time. But if you get it done soon then man will it be fun... *justtypingthoughtsaloud*<br /><br />MessangerMessanger of Deathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16107009355887227092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-91160093113545256622010-08-19T12:50:10.252+10:002010-08-19T12:50:10.252+10:00It's not over until everyone involved has forg...It's not over until everyone involved has forgotten about what was in the original article. <br /><br />Also, I'm disappointed that you haven't written an article on how you idolize me yet. :(Thudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10780564639303405691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-30145896610856249012010-08-19T11:20:34.681+10:002010-08-19T11:20:34.681+10:00Hopefully Dethtron will step in. Then maybe Brent ...Hopefully Dethtron will step in. Then maybe Brent can snowmobile Dethtron's snowmobile of TKE's snowmobile of Mkerr's snowmbile of my snowmobile of that article thing by someone named iamaddj. Or Brent and Lauby should get together and do it at the same time in a google doc whilst drunk!<br /><br />I'm game =D. lolAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-55960353002116525952010-08-19T11:17:40.215+10:002010-08-19T11:17:40.215+10:00If I weren't so lazy I'd snowmobile TKE...If I weren't so lazy I'd snowmobile TKE's snowmobiling of Mkerr's snowmobiling of Kirby's snowmobiling of Iamaddj's article. But I am lazy so you can all go and suck it.Thudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10780564639303405691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-46459408848973777062010-08-18T21:16:20.698+10:002010-08-18T21:16:20.698+10:00Okay, today's the 18th, so, when getting my 4-...Okay, today's the 18th, so, when getting my 4-hour train journey (Don't Stop Believin'!) on the 24th, I will begin the monumental task of the triple-Snowmobile.<br /><br />Hopefully I can finish it in that time.TheKing Elessarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04981821487098781957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-35267757945997922412010-08-18T12:34:25.948+10:002010-08-18T12:34:25.948+10:00@iamaddj; this is clearly going to be a love-hate ...@iamaddj; this is clearly going to be a love-hate relationship I see. I have no problem with you having problems with the rules. I raise issue with how you phrase it. Wound allocation and things like ICs in combat can be a pain for some people to grasp because it involves multiple processes, that's fine. You may believe it hurts the game concept wise and game-play wise, that's fine. Phrase it differently. I'm one for promoting discussion (as much as Mkerr snowmobiled my snowmobile of that point :P). Put down your opinion in a way that encourages discussion of the topic rather than I agree, I don't agree type replies. If you want to make the post amusing or light-hearted, etc., go about it a different way because the message is lost in the dislike for the rule/concept. Check how Dethtron does his snowmobiles. Check the last two of these snowmobiles. Check Mkerr's snowmobile of this, etc. (I will readily admit Dethtron's are much funnier than mine :P). THey are all clearly for the fun of it and whilst someone is the butt of a joke, it's not ragey hate that BoLS/Dakka/YTTH see. Whilst mine tries to add some serious components to it because 3++ is more about analysis, it's nothing like what Tasty would do. <br /><br />@Taak; play nice :P. Glad you got something out of it though.<br /><br />@Termite; that's too much of a case of "this rule applying would benefit my opponent so I'm going to turn it 'off.'" And that's not a good thing. I think solving the issue with multi-wound models is simple in the fact of forcing wounded models (except ICs) to keep taking saves until they die. For example, you've got 5 nobs each with different wargear. They suffer 4 wounds and you allocate them each to a different squad member and one fails a save. They suffer 4 more wounds and under the current rules you can allocate those 4 to the unwounded models. I think if you were forced to allocate to the wounded model first and then to un-wounded models, etc. it would minimise the 'shenangians' part of it to an extent. I really think this is the only major problem of wound allocation as unless you want to revert to the old system, it's going to take some time to allocate, etc. and you still have to think before you shoot, etc.<br /><br />@Roland; stay off the coffee :P<br /><br />@TKE; do a triple snowmobile please, please!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-67401240334944510172010-08-18T12:12:43.599+10:002010-08-18T12:12:43.599+10:00The original poster amazingly gets to pick replies...The original poster amazingly gets to pick replies.40K + T&Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09058918571922538449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-24993643348375679632010-08-18T12:08:10.161+10:002010-08-18T12:08:10.161+10:00iamaddj:
Stelek writes good articles. Some of them...iamaddj:<br />Stelek writes good articles. Some of them I dodge, as they are not constructive. No one has helped my gaming as much.<br /><br />I first started going to BoLS and Jawaballs blogs, as I found Stelek too harsh. BoLS and Jawaballs did lift my game [I had played most of my games against my brother or myself ~ lol] I think the Speeders and Pods articles were real eye openers for me.<br /><br />But after that, for gaming acumen, BoLS and Jawa left me hanging. I started trying YTTH again and found that I understood what Stelek was on about and was not intimidated by his manner. <br /><br />I don't think non~ and competitive are buzzwords. People play with sub-par lists and/or tactics. Stelek does not advocate those B lists [unless he makes it clear he is] and pushes for excellent play within the rules.<br /><br />I can't remember the last BoLS article [besides Speeders and Pods] that made me think "hey, I NEED to play like that". I do with YTTH.<br /><br />Some of the flame wars between YTTH has been when BoLS has put out blergh arguments and Stelek shows them for what they are. Then the BoLSites get offended because what they have done has been called out. Sure Stelek has done things roughly, but still what he is saying is the truth. But the BoLSites get huffy because he has "disrespected" them, not because he was wrong. Even prominent BoLSites have gently agreed with him.<br /><br />For me, that shows Stelek IS right. Getting offended because of offensive delivery doesn't make the message false, even if it is hard to swallow.<br /><br />I'm not even "for" YTTH, 3++ or BoLS. Whoever speaks the truth to get the best from the Codices on the TT, I am with them. For a while, the bottle has been pointing towards Stelek. <br />Pointing out holes in rules, etc. doesn't really help anyone enjoy the game anymore. Every edition will have bits that should change [be that objective or emotive] but as we can't change it, why not just work with it? <br />Then people who are fluffites or are poor players get offended when people actually use the rules well. Why not stop the half empty outlook AND not give people an excuse the remain as rubbish players?<br />By making a rules complaints article, you are condoning peoples attitudes of "the rules suck" "he's such a rules jerk" "your codex is broken" and other 'woe is me, I'm being victimised' outlooks.<br /><br />Don't dumb down the game and let people get away with being rubbish. Upskill them! Lift the quality of the game! Don't let people acquiesce into lameness, but equip them for greatness!<br />Don't write how things are bad, write how things are good.<br /><br />Your positive attitude and articles will coax people out of being sooky-lah.<br />Is WA brilliant? Who cares? It simply is, at least for this edition.<br /><br />Don't be old-minded iamaddj, don't long and lament for yesterday. Embrace today with two thumbs up and a cheerful disposition.<br /><br />[This is what I feel Stelek does. Sure he can be heavy, etc. But don't let his style ruin his message]<br /><br />Are you feeling me?Marshal Wilhelmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08274955398809519542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-38875355330871005422010-08-18T11:33:35.253+10:002010-08-18T11:33:35.253+10:00@TKE, it's neither. And yeah Mkerr did snowmob...@TKE, it's neither. And yeah Mkerr did snowmobile this http://www.chainfist.com/2010/08/stupid-it-burns-cough3-bols-wound.html#comment-69428257.iamaddjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17423232741753001321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-34646924372366785682010-08-18T10:34:08.211+10:002010-08-18T10:34:08.211+10:00Right, I need to know - is it 'I a mad dj'...Right, I need to know - is it 'I a mad dj' or I'm a dj' ?? <br /><br />Also, did MKerr snowmobile this? Gotta check that out...TheKing Elessarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04981821487098781957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-36821541891777258562010-08-18T06:22:38.093+10:002010-08-18T06:22:38.093+10:00@Meister_Kai; I happy you have someone you like am...@Meister_Kai; I happy you have someone you like among the bloggers. Again I can't say I agree with much of what he say's, but that's my personal opinion about another person, and I won't go too deeply into that. I will say the one time I met him in person (I was with Goatboy at the LV GT when that picture of Stelek was taken) he seemed like an OK guy. Though I guess you misunderstood part of what I said, because I'm certainly interested in tournament play. I won't even touch on any of the competitive vs, non-competitive stuff, I think its all just BS buzz words, and I can get that from watching the news thank you very much.<br /><br />Don't worry though I don't plan on commenting over on the YTTH, if i did it would just turn into mud slinging, and no one would gain anything. <br /><br />I guess the point is its cool if you like Stealek, I just don't want to get into a hardcore partisan debate here, so I asked the question to see if it was even worth me to keep talking. <br /><br />As for the debate stuff. Well I can't compare my experience to yours, but being with the BoLS crowd I do talk to a lot of people, and I go to a lot of events, and after hearing a lot of arguments about it, and talking to plenty of people at WAR Games con I have to say that from my point of view they are hotly debated topics, so I brought them up. And I know that some people might think I'm just trying to get hits and comments, and that's part of it sure, I do want hits and comments. But I could say the same about Kirby writing this article and posting a link in my comments. Seems like hes also trying to get hits and comments (seems to be working this articles has like twice the comments of any of the other articles Ive seen here, though I haven't looked at all that many). And there's nothing wrong with that, we are blogers and we want people to read our stuff and talk about it. But if you don't think my original article added anything to anything, then I find it hard to see how you would think that Kirby's added anything either, but whatever, I had a laugh. <br /><br />Also having people do rebuttals is actually something I've brought up to Bigred a couple of times, it's an idea I really like a lot. We are going to try doing that some more in the future, but it takes a certain level of coordination and forces writers to agree to write on one topic, rather then on something they might want to talk about. <br /><br />Finally, its been nice talking to you and I certainly will keep up the work.iamaddjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17423232741753001321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-54918805667643851822010-08-18T05:41:35.058+10:002010-08-18T05:41:35.058+10:00@imaddj: Well, I am obviously in no way qaulified...@imaddj: Well, I am obviously in no way qaulified to talk for Kirby or anyone else from this blog, but I for one endorse Stelek as he was the first person I really latched onto to gain insight into what it takes to play and succeed (on both a win and fun level, as I enjoy competitive play) in 40K. Sure he comes off really strong sometimes, and has flung his fair share of mud, but he has been somewhat turning over a new leaf as of late, one that is starting to make Tastytaste look a little silly to be honest. I would urge you to read his blog ESPECIALLY if you are not interested in tournament play, so you have insight into how this type of player thinks (not that he speaks for all of us). Not to be rude but it is for this reason that I read BOLS sometimes, so I am grounded in reality and can still relate to less competitive players. <br /><br />I have to say this though. I would not post on YTTH if I were you. I know that sounds cryptic, and it sort is, but I think you know that its for the best too. I personally think its really brave of you to go on as you have. <br /><br />I would say your first paragraph is mostly spot on. I would say your second is also. I did assume you were a "fluffy bunny" etc because the articles you wrote are usually the sort they write (not a good generalization I know). I can't really comment you on being too hard of a tournament player per say the WFB people except that I know many people who play WFB because it is less "hard" than 40K is now. When competitive players try to make things fair for themselves it seems to somehow ruin things for others, which I don't understand now per the NOVA Open experience. Oh well. <br /><br />I don't think TLOS and wound allocation were hotly debated things until you wrote about them honestly, I have read my way around the 40K network and talked with most of the people from my LGS and never really heard any flak about either system (small sample size I know). I think it was just the way you presented your argument(s) that made them blow up this way. I think having another author write a rebuttle article at the same time as yours would of helped to mitagate all the hate thrown your way. <br /><br />Thats all I really have to say about that. I know that journalism teaches that strong talk makes strong talk, and you seem to be taking the pain being dished your way much better than others could have in your situation. I'm not going to go as far as say keep up the "good" work, but keep up the work.Meister_Kaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08328762649267641369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-17415267115591765682010-08-18T04:25:29.526+10:002010-08-18T04:25:29.526+10:00@ Dethron...we call it jetskiing out here on the c...@ Dethron...we call it jetskiing out here on the coast...<br /><br />Ok no we really don't. Though that does remind me of the old "Moose" Trick. Maybe we should call it "Moosing" someone. That has a nice ring to it...<br /><br />"Well, I guess I just have to MOOSE your articles on this article."<br /><br />"Hehe please do the MOOSE TKE"<br /><br />"at this point it will only be funny if you MOOSE Mkerr MOOSING kirby MOOSING iamddj. I think it will work best if it makes no sense at all, tke."<br /><br />Hahha oh man, I laughed way too much at that. From here on out, I will refer to all acts of "snowmobiling" as "moosing". <br /><br />And if you don't know what moosing is in reference to what Dethron said above...you're missing out on tons of fun with your significant other.Roland Durendalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08389723800776089633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-37532759500342907142010-08-18T04:15:41.523+10:002010-08-18T04:15:41.523+10:00@Meister_Kai- What are the implications of being a...@Meister_Kai- What are the implications of being a fan of YTTH? Well I can't say I agree with much of what is posted on YTTH, but I have no big problem with his fans, per se. However as Auretious Taak has pointed out there is some animosity between BoLS and YTTH, and it's something I really try to stay out of. So I guess my question came down to weather I wanted to stay around talking or not. If the answer was "OMG yes YTTH is the bestest ever (which it does not seem to be) then I would have quietly left. Staying around in that environment would do nothing productive, and would just lead to a crazy flame-war, it's why I don't go and comment on YTTH. To put it another way, while I might enjoy reading Blood of Kittens some times, and while I might personally like Tasty-Taste, I'm not him and I don't want to get into this crazy personal attacks and people bashing that goes on there. As you guys here don't seem to have the same animosity towards BoLS that YTTH does (though there does seem to be some animosity) I figure I might stick around a talk a bit, and it won't just be a waste of both our time. <br /><br />As for my views on competitive Warhammer? I think it's awesome, I'm a tournament player, and I play a lot of systems in a lot of tournaments, I even have a few trophies. No offense but I would guess you formed your view of me as a fluff bunny/non-competitive player based just on my last two articles. I've actually been writing and doing stuff for BoLS for like 4 years now, I worked on the original Horus Heresy book for instance. I've often gotten complainants (on the blog, not in person) that I am too hard core of a player, and that I only worry about the competitive and tournament scene. Though I might add that those are maybe more common in my WFB articles, which you may not read. <br /><br />As for being controversial, I might be, it's a recent thing, but I would also say my topics are controversial. Contrary to the way you seem to be portraying it the comments on my articles are no overwhelmingly negative, they are often about 50/50. I would argue that if the topics weren't a hotly debated subject they never would have gotten the attention or the amount of comments they did. Certainly we have put up bad articles in the past and they don't get nearly this much attention. <br /><br />One last point, I don't hate 5th edition. There are some things about it I really don't like, and I am clearly not the only one who doesn't like them, but that doesn't mean I hate the game. If I hated the game I would stop playing. <br /><br />@Dethtron; so thats what it means? Must be a northern thing. We don't really have snowmoblies down here.iamaddjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17423232741753001321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-20586572301240891802010-08-18T03:21:29.185+10:002010-08-18T03:21:29.185+10:00"I look forward to reading any other "sn..."I look forward to reading any other "snowmoblies" (why is it snowmonlieing?) of my stuff you do!"<br />-for the record it's called snowmobiling because when you're getting it on from a rear position sometimes you just have to take control of the situation and grab the arms or pigtails....<br /><br />OMG, my word verification for this is "creep." wow!Dethtronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07257162715130436403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-34435465541636191732010-08-18T02:21:21.607+10:002010-08-18T02:21:21.607+10:00I guess my next question is what are the implicati...I guess my next question is what are the implications or being a fan of YTTH or not? As I'm sure you know, being affiliated with YTTH is either a good thing or a very bad thing depending on who you are talking to. What are your opinions on competitive Warhammer, YTTH, etc? I don't want to go around just assuming things like I had defaulted to earlier. <br /><br />What I think you are doing though, iamaddj, whether you realize it or not, is that you are becoming a very controversial figure (like Stelek, which I think you realize). You can't go around saying something you don't like, which at this point is seemingly 5th edition period, is wrong or ruining the game without people who play the game coming to the defense. I'm going to assume again that you are smart enough to realize this, and you also seem smart enough to not get into the thick of it over the net, which is probably for the best. <br /><br />While I don't really agree with anything you have written so far, especially the bit about not shooting with everything being wrong or whatever (more like strategic), I guess its important on some level to get your viewpoint out there. I just really hope its not to gain hits for BOLS like I sort of think it is. <br /><br />Also on a positive note, you either did a much better job grammatically this time around or the "editor"s (lol) finally got a clue.Meister_Kaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08328762649267641369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-13852048835837332222010-08-18T02:02:09.923+10:002010-08-18T02:02:09.923+10:00Kirby, the part where you rewrote that guys articl...Kirby, the part where you rewrote that guys article was great. It got me thinking (like it was supposed to do). There are cases where wound allocation hinders killing stuff and there should be some sort of solution.<br /><br />So here is a simple solution.<br />When you are shooting or attacking at a unit, if you don't want your opponent to allocate wounds, simply state, "I want these wounds to be treated as if your unit had all the same models".<br />That would take care of the Nob Bikers and problems with stacking low AP wounds all in the same place.<br />My solution is simple, but is it good enough? What do you all think?Evil-Termitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07359565842921009553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-56814837772126990702010-08-18T01:39:13.348+10:002010-08-18T01:39:13.348+10:00@Kirby, Auretious Taak, and Meister_Kai
Firstly I...@Kirby, Auretious Taak, and Meister_Kai<br /><br />Firstly I meant my comment about Kirby not having anything to write without me as a joke. I've only been to your blog through the links you've posted in our comments section to this and your other post about my stuff. I guess I should have included a smiley face as I can see it would be misunderstood. That being said you might notice that unlike some other people I have never in my articles or comments resorted to personal attacks. In my very first comment on your sight I complimented Kirby, I found what he wrote to be funny to me and to even make some points I wish I had. And I asked him to keep up the good work, because even though I don't agree with everything he says I can see that he, and the other guys on this site (Sorry I don't really know you yet) are working hard to help build up the warhammer community, that same thing we at BoLS are doing. Now even when i the response I got was "ugh you're writing more? *sadface*" I still tired to make a joke, rather then get mad about it or something, heck why be mad, its the net. Anyway maybe I'll try to check out your other articles, and I look forward to reading any other "snowmoblies" (why is it snowmonlieing?) of my stuff you do!<br /><br />As for the YTTH comment. I really wasn't trying to lump you guys, I honestly don't know. I saw that YTTH was in your blog roll and stuff, and some of your comments all this "competitive/non-competitive" stuff sounded a little like something I might hear on YTTH. So rather then lumping you guys together, or making an assumption I thought I would just ask.iamaddjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17423232741753001321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-55742126325156600682010-08-18T00:57:46.821+10:002010-08-18T00:57:46.821+10:00Article is much better after commentary!
Honestl...Article is much better after commentary! <br /><br />Honestly, the old way of taking casualties was boring. Wound allocation forces you to play with some flexibility! You have to be more adaptable in 5th edition... You should not be able to depend on the other guys in your squad to take the wounds before that special weapon goes to the grave.Jt3nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12246752003287521363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-4717462041226080242010-08-18T00:50:52.113+10:002010-08-18T00:50:52.113+10:00"I just have to snowmobile your articles on t..."I just have to snowmobile your articles on this article."<br /><br />at this point it will only be funny if you snowmobile Mkerr snowmobiling kirby snowmobiling iamddj. I think it will work best if it makes no sense at all, tke.Dethtronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07257162715130436403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-90019149046316153552010-08-18T00:08:58.622+10:002010-08-18T00:08:58.622+10:00Much like how hometaping and the internet are kill...Much like how hometaping and the internet are killing music, wound allocation is killing wargaming.VT2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13922615677851541327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-8639821919690555962010-08-17T22:33:21.961+10:002010-08-17T22:33:21.961+10:00Hehe please do the Snowmobile TKE. After the fun I...Hehe please do the Snowmobile TKE. After the fun I had last time this will be awesome.<br /><br />MessangerMessanger of Deathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16107009355887227092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-26968460861385855512010-08-17T21:49:38.842+10:002010-08-17T21:49:38.842+10:00LOLOL.
You AND Dethtron write an article about th...LOLOL.<br /><br />You AND Dethtron write an article about this piece of shit article...mere hours after I declare my intent to do the same. Well, I guess I just have to snowmobile your articles on this article.<br /><br />Saves me the pain of revisiting the original.TheKing Elessarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04981821487098781957noreply@blogger.com