tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post5531543806015261469..comments2024-03-10T21:35:32.778+11:00Comments on 3++ is the new black. | Kirb your enthusiasm!: Email in: Nids 4 the impatient II feat. correct Math [2000]Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-85475257232331373312010-07-19T09:22:36.520+10:002010-07-19T09:22:36.520+10:00Well. I must say they are some nice thoughts Mr Ki...Well. I must say they are some nice thoughts Mr Kirby!<br /><br />If you could get fit a swarmlord, flyrant, 2 harpies, 2 tervigons and 2 trygons into 2k I think you'd be all good. 33 T6 and 8 T5 wounds coming in on 2+s. not many lists can deal with that. <br /><br />Your shooting is nothing to shout about (a few HVCs), but you're in MC heaven. Worth a try at the very least.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-76870823935166339622010-07-19T07:25:21.535+10:002010-07-19T07:25:21.535+10:00@Myke; if Flyrants could slingshot out of Tyrant G...@Myke; if Flyrants could slingshot out of Tyrant Guard units... but since they can't, I honestly think they aren't that great in this current rendition of the codex. You could make a reserve based list with 1 or 2 of them based around Trygons/Flyrants/Harpies all deep-striking but you then need Zoans & you can only have one Tervigon outflanking + only getting a 3+ on your reserve rolls (unless you run Tyrant + Swarmy).<br /><br />The problem with Flyrants is they are really hard to grant cover for and aren't going to be survivable until combat and only against units which don't mass high strength, ignore save units (i.e. Terminators > you). <br /><br />I think the posted list is about as good as you'll get with Flyrants. Whilst you can drop one you don't really have the points for 2x Trygon without dropping the Warriors (which is an option) but you need to then add Hive Commander unless you want them running across the board.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-72474844965290356142010-07-19T06:33:46.172+10:002010-07-19T06:33:46.172+10:00Sorry for my late response. I've been away pre...Sorry for my late response. I've been away pretty much all day long. Hope you're recovering fast and doing good again.<br /> <br />Thanks Kirby for you're reply. The VC on the Warriors is an awesome idea. Didn't even think of that, but like it a lot. <br /> <br />The Tervigon suggestions sound good to me as well, and another Harpy to drag attentions from the Tyrants sounds good as well. <br /><br />But all in all it seams that you and Chumbalaya perceive it as low-level list. Which it probably is, since i'm a low-level player:<br /><br />An alternative list would be:<br />1x Flyrant (as above)<br />1x Tervigon (as suggested by you)<br />1*3x Hive Guard (to follow the Tervigon)<br />2*2x Hive Guard<br />1*10x Termagants (as above)<br />1*14x Gargoyles (as above)<br />1x Harpy (as above)<br />2*4x Warriors (DualBS, AG, 3*Rending, 1*VC, NO Sacs)<br />2x Trygon Prime (I know many think that the 40pts for the prime aren't worth it, but i refuse to believe this)<br /><br />This would add up to 1999 and on paper i like the list more, but i think that Trygons simply fail in this kind of list due to following reasons: They have to be deployed regular, otherwise they wouldn't drag attention from the flyrant, but at the same time, they are basically just a CC unit, so no on cares about them in the early stage, which again means, that the opponent can first pick out the flyrant and than kill the trygons before they arrive... <br /><br />So in general i think that none of the above mentioned: Trygon, Mawlocs and PodFexes will help the Flyrant survive the first rounds whatsoever. Good placed genestealers my get some attention but certainly not from the units that threat the flyrant...<br /><br />So Kirby: Do you think it is possible to create a Flyrant based non-reserve army at all? (If possible without those tyrannofexes)Myke.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13602118739642543671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-10330876742784077352010-07-19T01:16:17.418+10:002010-07-19T01:16:17.418+10:00I agree with Kirbs. You want to suppress armor fo...I agree with Kirbs. You want to suppress armor for as long as possible, buying your Tyrants time to get stuck in.<br /><br />Personally I don't think 2 Tyrants will last long as your only real assault units. My Loganwing, for example, only has to pop them and I can run rampant amongst your entire army.<br /><br />Including stuff like Trygons, Mawlocs, Genestealers, or Podding Fexes will give you the extra threats up close and take some attention away from the Tyrants.<br /><br />Loath as I am to do it, you could feasibly lose a Tervigon and go for cheap warriors or gaunts to hold your home objectives if points are really tight.Chumbalayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15543857960730597490noreply@blogger.com