tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post5613066479772130837..comments2024-03-10T21:35:32.778+11:00Comments on 3++ is the new black. | Kirb your enthusiasm!: Marine codex 'review' (#10): jumpersAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-43214624855537621272010-10-25T22:24:54.483+11:002010-10-25T22:24:54.483+11:00Would Vanguard have a use, as recommended for assa...Would Vanguard have a use, as recommended for assault marines, as a bodyguard for a melee bound independent character in a Rhino? Or does their inflated cost ruin them even if you leave the jump packs behind.<br /><br />Equipping them with a Rhino is cheaper than buying jump packs, and 20 points/model though pricey does give you the option of storm shields and the occasional lightning claw/power fist.<br /><br />Though then you have to ask, why are you in assault with something that isn't a terminator?<br /><br />Okay I guess they do suck.Duke of Earlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14891442161634560912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-71491150038706503142010-09-27T23:10:28.652+10:002010-09-27T23:10:28.652+10:00I actually use a small unit of 6 of these in my Im...I actually use a small unit of 6 of these in my Imperial Fists army... and in all games bar 1 I have played they have more then earnt their points back...<br /><br />Point of fact I even too them to a tournament, they arrived using heroic intervention on turn 2 and proceeded to pop both a landraider and a vindicator (gotta love mech armies in tight terrain), and then they proceeded to eat the command squad from the raider... granted they died in the combat.. but add the points... they did their job.<br /><br />And thats the key...<br /><br />Their job is very specific, and very risky considering the extreme price of the unit, but essentially they are one trick ponies, they come down remove a threat and die.<br /><br />If you ask no more of them then you'll get your points back.<br /><br />But like all things, this is just my opinon, I like them, others don't... who is right? neither and both.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07412052891594904366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-81249787146534323782010-09-24T12:28:45.953+10:002010-09-24T12:28:45.953+10:00And I countered by pointing out that Pedro doesn&#...And I countered by pointing out that Pedro doesn't really make them better.<br /><br />It's just a sad state of affairs. Pray for rending attacks or something in 6th edition.VT2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13922615677851541327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-8602358443439294602010-09-24T10:45:42.330+10:002010-09-24T10:45:42.330+10:00Oh Vt2, did you even read what I wrote? I said th...Oh Vt2, did you even read what I wrote? I said that Pedro makes them better, but they're still not that exciting...flugerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00868852313679502604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-45544605289824217802010-09-23T16:03:42.822+10:002010-09-23T16:03:42.822+10:00Devs in vanilla SM _do_ have uses. Rarely so, and ...Devs in vanilla SM _do_ have uses. Rarely so, and even then they're mediocre, but it occasionally happens. (Just don't ever take Lascannons with them, no matter what.)<br /><br />ASM are crap because A2 just isn't that special. Real assault units have special abilities and weapons that help them win fights.AbusePuppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07413248837734103198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-6961491380108209232010-09-23T09:43:48.538+10:002010-09-23T09:43:48.538+10:00Pedro also costs 175 points, removes one chaplain ...Pedro also costs 175 points, removes one chaplain slot, is open to assault, needs an escorting unit, doesn't move 12, and if you ever take him, you really don't want him exposed to assault, since he's a walking target.<br /><br />Why were you taking mister Kantor again?<br /><br />So 175+190+190+125 = a lot more than 10 assault terminators.VT2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13922615677851541327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-9622275368310400032010-09-23T08:42:27.234+10:002010-09-23T08:42:27.234+10:00Pedro makes 'em better, but they're still ...Pedro makes 'em better, but they're still not that exciting. FA in regular SM is all about the bikes and the speeders IMO.flugerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00868852313679502604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-12878988196955795222010-09-23T01:54:21.515+10:002010-09-23T01:54:21.515+10:00Nothing.
No furious charge, no rending, no strengt...Nothing.<br />No furious charge, no rending, no strength 5, no 4 attacks base, no multiple combat weapons, and a full squad costs almost as much as 5 assault terminators.<br /><br />If you put a chaplain and Khan with them, ask yourself why you're not putting Khan with assault terminators instead, and replacing the chaplain with two additional terminators.VT2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13922615677851541327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-50107742701678152902010-09-23T01:06:32.200+10:002010-09-23T01:06:32.200+10:00Anything in the vanilla codex that can make Assaul...Anything in the vanilla codex that can make Assault squads more viable? Pedro's bubble, Shrike's Fleet, joining Khan to the squad for furious charge and hit'n'run?tzeentchlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07886812068265076783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-16778570243437622252010-09-23T00:49:49.699+10:002010-09-23T00:49:49.699+10:00Because there are 18 boyz left, and their 30 man u...Because there are 18 boyz left, and their 30 man unit costs less than your 10 man unit, plus chaplain,<br /><br />They can add a warboss to their 30 men for the points you blow on your jumpers.<br /><br />Yeah, avoid combat.<br />Unless you're a terminator, what are you doing in combat? Get out and shoot more.<br /><br />'Counter-assault' is not a valid concept.VT2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13922615677851541327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-47286369070741864932010-09-22T23:35:37.873+10:002010-09-22T23:35:37.873+10:00What's a Pinkit?What's a Pinkit?Marshal Wilhelmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08274955398809519542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-79731734505097588812010-09-22T23:09:11.834+10:002010-09-22T23:09:11.834+10:00I used to use assault marines as counter-assault i...I used to use assault marines as counter-assault if my tacs got into trouble. Am I given to understand that I should basically be trying to get out of combat via combat tactics instead?<br /><br />Also I'm curious about why you think jumpers+chaplain don't beat up boyz when they kill ~12 on the charge.wisdom like silencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05285703926321028278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-702643473752647722010-09-22T22:45:42.210+10:002010-09-22T22:45:42.210+10:00What they said.
My SM Jumper Review:
Why aren'...What they said.<br /><br />My SM Jumper Review:<br />Why aren't you playing BA?Chumbalayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15543857960730597490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-78891168261595171342010-09-22T20:48:16.610+10:002010-09-22T20:48:16.610+10:00They work in zero builds, and it's because of ...They work in zero builds, and it's because of cost, competition, and static nature.<br />That's why long fangs and angel devastators were made cheaper and better.VT2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13922615677851541327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-28534183151544860072010-09-22T19:49:47.196+10:002010-09-22T19:49:47.196+10:00Devastators can work in some builds. Not as good a...Devastators can work in some builds. Not as good as the non-vanilla berries. But they still have their place.<br /><br />MessangerMessanger of Deathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16107009355887227092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-25197046320521261032010-09-22T19:30:37.127+10:002010-09-22T19:30:37.127+10:00Maybe I should just wait for when you review the H...Maybe I should just wait for when you review the Heavy Support, but when you say that Devastators are not a realistic option, is it because they are too expensive in the current codex, or are Predators (and Dreads with a master) just plain better?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17510272090709725537noreply@blogger.com