tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post7370699519150336951..comments2024-03-10T21:35:32.778+11:00Comments on 3++ is the new black. | Kirb your enthusiasm!: BoLS: It's a game & NOVA OpenAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-15460056454755154262010-08-27T08:53:29.430+10:002010-08-27T08:53:29.430+10:00Great post Kirby, I have been meaning to write som...Great post Kirby, I have been meaning to write something along these lines for a long time but it looks like you already took care of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-45466414454661166742010-08-24T08:38:31.500+10:002010-08-24T08:38:31.500+10:00Where did I say nay-sayers from BoLS?
If this pos...Where did I say nay-sayers from BoLS?<br /><br />If this post is drama, well color me silly.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-45282431134157669242010-08-23T22:52:25.786+10:002010-08-23T22:52:25.786+10:00Sorry but What naysayers from Bols? Myself and Jwo...Sorry but What naysayers from Bols? Myself and Jwolf haven't posted anything or really care and most of us our working with people in the community to build things. These conclusions that people are coming up that we are upset or trying to work the line to divide is silly.<br /><br />If you are going to argue that Tastytaste is the one posting stuff he is Blood of kittens that is it he is not Bols and Mkerr is Chainfist he is not Bols. You guys are doing more harm then good and just trying to stir up drama or divide the line.Darkwynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14117523586038869738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-3718318672844263852010-08-19T07:44:05.860+10:002010-08-19T07:44:05.860+10:00Ironic I guess what happened next. There's far...Ironic I guess what happened next. There's far too much divide in our community and hopefully tournaments like NOVA Open will become more popular and show the nay-sayers we can co-exist, go to the same tournaments, have fun and not want to kill each other.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-88529408537835400282010-08-18T03:23:54.028+10:002010-08-18T03:23:54.028+10:00This comment has been removed by the author.Roland Durendalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08389723800776089633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-83503337609589057702010-08-18T03:22:31.422+10:002010-08-18T03:22:31.422+10:00Agreed Kirb. Posted this over at B&C today, it...Agreed Kirb. Posted this over at B&C today, it's along the same lines...<br /><br />"The way I see it, there are 2 types of 40K:<br /><br />Competitive 40K, where you make the hardest lists, take the best units and combos, and play the best game of your life and win or lose, have a blast doing it. This is the type of 40K played at most tournaments (and the recent NOVAOpen was a prime example of this style of 40K - very competitive, but extremely friendly and down to earth players playing hard, competitive armies).<br /><br />The other type of 40K is Hobby 40K. This is where it's all about the conversions, the paint job, what units you "just feel like using", the Army list that is "fluffy", and the army list that plays to a certain theme, regardless of whether it is the strongest/best group of units/combos. This is the type of 40K where it's fine if you don't play the best game of your life - the purpose is more to relax, not compete. This is where most Hobby tournaments fall or where most campaigns fall. Again, this also is where win or lose, you have fun (maybe because it drives the narrative of your campaign, maybe it gives you more material to flesh out your Armies background and fluff, etc.)<br /><br />The issue arises when these two genres clash. This typically happens at tournaments where either Group 2 type players show up thinking that everyone will be playing "HobbyK" armies and they run into "CompetitiveK" Armies and much moaning arises as they aren't use to that style of play. The opposite is also true, a "CompetitiveK" player shows up at a torunament thinking it will be full of the hardest lists and strong competition and he runs into a bunch of "HobbyK' players. Most likely the "CompetitiveK" player wins the tournament and is then mislabeled a "WAAC", "Beardy", "Cheesy" player, all of which are utterly untrue and unfair labels. He just plays a different style of 40K and showed up to a tournament expecting that style of play. When this happens, no one has fun as they're, in the words of that immortal tome The Big Lebowski, "out of your Element Donny".<br /><br />In the end both styles are all about fun, it just differs as to the means of achieving that fun. Most players should identify which group / style they predominantly belong to. That way, if you are a Hobby 40K player, you know that when you go to a tournament you might want to adjust your army to fit in with the 40K Style that will be present. And if you don't feel like changing your plkay style, at least you're going into an event informed on how you intend to play and have a reasonable expectation of the style of play others there will be utilizing. Thus, you won't be the HobbyKer caught off guard, surrounded by a bunch of CompetitiveKers at a tournament. You'll be the HobbyKer who knew what he was getting into and figured, "Why the hell not. Let's see if my Catachan Jungle Fighter fluffy list can hang with some of the hardest lists out there." I guarantee if you go in with an attitude like that and with that knowledge, you and your opponents will have fun, and they will more often than not, talk to you after the game about your army and how cool your conversions/paint job was and how you did it, etc.<br /><br />Me personally, I like to think myself as a perfect blend of both. I like playing competitive 40K and making strong lists (usually my Space Wolves) but I also love map and narrative campaigns and making thematic/fluffy armies (usually my IG). With that said, I don't think I'd ever bring my IG army to a tournament for I'm so use to playing it in campaigns and in a relaxed atmosphere, I don't know if I could handle them well in a more serious environment. Yet if I did decide to bring it, I'd go in with the full knowledge that it may not be the strongest list out there, but I like it and have fun with it, so who cares if I win or lose."Roland Durendalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08389723800776089633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-867814651000196692010-08-17T08:42:34.298+10:002010-08-17T08:42:34.298+10:00Please don't look on BoLS or Dick Move for tha...Please don't look on BoLS or Dick Move for that matter. Your pink little heart may just stop beating.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-40436726786480444142010-08-17T07:51:38.502+10:002010-08-17T07:51:38.502+10:00If by BOLS back-pedaling you mean turning around, ...If by BOLS back-pedaling you mean turning around, giving a half-assed "dis gaem iz fun" handjob, then writing an article (by the same guy lol) about how wound allocation is tantamount to cheating, then....<br /><br />Seriously it seems to me that whenever people get into an argument about 40K that they can't win they inevitable start blabbing on about how its "just a game". Sort of annoying, sorry about the rant. <br /><br />As far as the "hobbyist" side of the coin, I somewhat enjoy painting, but I really like reading the back story of most things not Imperium. I just got my copy of "Path of the Warrior" in the mail with the rest of my 2K list, hopefully I should have time to start reading soon. <br /><br />One thing I will never understand is GW apologists and people who state that things like Nova are killing the game for them and that we should all play for "fun", that we shouldn't pressure GW about tighter rules and that this is ruining the game. I can somewhat understand where this mindset is coming from, but i'll never "get it".Meister_Kaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08328762649267641369noreply@blogger.com