tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post8829202257044746411..comments2024-03-10T21:35:32.778+11:00Comments on 3++ is the new black. | Kirb your enthusiasm!: Swedish Comp: Hilarity EnsuesAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07693773850422698445noreply@blogger.comBlogger94125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-44998137467751605662010-09-22T07:07:18.298+10:002010-09-22T07:07:18.298+10:00Maybe we should hold a poll over whether or not VT...Maybe we should hold a poll over whether or not VT2 should attend comphammer - Sweden edition.<br /><br />If I bring marines, I can make pretty much any list under the sun.VT2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13922615677851541327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-55986900520810669772010-09-21T18:43:23.413+10:002010-09-21T18:43:23.413+10:00It's still on the first page Puppy. :p
Everyo...It's still on the first page Puppy. :p<br /><br />Everyone loves army lists. Works better when the PDF is actually right on all counts not riddled with mistakes...Auretious Taakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09261337221609987048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-66539245327103234732010-09-21T13:44:19.493+10:002010-09-21T13:44:19.493+10:00New post should be up soon, so we can shift discus...New post should be up soon, so we can shift discussion thataway so people don't keep having to scroll past four pages of discussions to see anything.<br /><br />Also: army lists. Who doesn't love army lists?AbusePuppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07413248837734103198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-78946362688517758272010-09-21T13:40:15.035+10:002010-09-21T13:40:15.035+10:00VT2, take the legion list to a comp'ed tourney...VT2, take the legion list to a comp'ed tourney. Then play to win every game (alongside the side special objectives). You make a better arguement if you win at least one game out of three with the list in the environment as we've all seen the reaction to the list over on YTTH for example. heh. <br /><br />it's interesting examining Swedish comp and comparing it to aussie comp as both systems are so different. In both cases, non-comp tournies are available, and for you, you lucky bastard, youa t least have at least a third of the events around as non-comp, and at least 3 at 2,000pts comp or otherwise. Australia has ONE Major Non-comp tournament, and no, it isn't Fester's centurion. that hasn't even taken place yet and he is full of it to claim it is - Phenomenon in canberra is what I am talking about here. We have a few one day non-comp events but that's it outside Western Australia. <br /><br />Run the 100 comp lists and podium by tabling people, or winning games with them, it's a challenge and actually supports your arguements directly. heck, you have autrhorship rights here so abuse both those and tournament wins in the system and direct responses to the tourney comp which is apparently reviewed and changed every 3 months or so. So see if your 100 comp armies which top all the comp tournies you go to because apparently you are that good, system abuse or not, and whether it changes the comp make up on units or not. Be funny if it did. :)Auretious Taakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09261337221609987048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-80382863239636391352010-09-21T13:16:49.001+10:002010-09-21T13:16:49.001+10:00>and so forth. do accept the 'challenge'...>and so forth. do accept the 'challenge' and attend a tournament or a match with comp. how much can it hurt? your opinion might be the same afterwards but it will give you some more insight.<br /><br />I can understand Vt2's side of things here; building a new army- as the comp system tends to require, since its strictures are rather different from those of normal 40K- is not a small investment. Spending what would come to US$500+ (I'm not really familiar with the prices in Sweden) just to prove a point, plus spending all the time painting, assembling, etc, is probably more than he may want to invest.AbusePuppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07413248837734103198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-56048501504630783572010-09-21T12:13:06.018+10:002010-09-21T12:13:06.018+10:00Why?
It's enough for me to make broken, high-c...Why?<br />It's enough for me to make broken, high-comp lists. Besides, I still don't have to prove anything to anyone.<br /><br />You're all proving how silly our comp is on a daily basis.<br /><br />'Point and yell?' I gave a link to our failcomp when Taak was discussing aussie comp. Because I'm the only swede aboard, I said what I knew, and asked an active handicaphammer40k player what comp was really all about, and then this happened<br /><br />Bam!<br />Lots of butthurt for you, and lots of giggles for everyone else.<br />Mission accomplished.VT2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13922615677851541327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-91570639025101843042010-09-21T07:30:04.233+10:002010-09-21T07:30:04.233+10:00to state something and then not backing in up ...
...to state something and then not backing in up ...<br /><br />quote from VT2:<br />"I don't play handicaphammer 40k. Fact is, I've made it a point not engage in such things, and I've been in the game for over 10 years.<br /><br />There's nothing for me to prove, and nothing for me to accomplish. If I were to bring Taak's legion list (100 comp, guaranteed), you'd answer by giving me horrible softscores on the spot, and alter the comp afterwards, so such a list can never be made again."<br /><br />if you want to prove this broken etc. and so forth. do accept the 'challenge' and attend a tournament or a match with comp. how much can it hurt? your opinion might be the same afterwards but it will give you some more insight.<br /><br />to just point and yell and then, when given the chance, not take it to see what it actually is.<br /><br />try it, then hate it. give it a chance.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06646801880132541296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-84694146112862288532010-09-21T06:48:30.156+10:002010-09-21T06:48:30.156+10:00Last post for tonite:
Are everyone illiterate.. ...Last post for tonite: <br /><br />Are everyone illiterate.. it is except for vt2 atleast 2 others that have said... play the game as it is intended... I think I have written atleast 5 times that we have alot of non-comped tournaments.. I love them!! I love them equally to the comped tournaments. I and majority of the active community in Sweden, understand and have played without comp, myself, started playing 17 years ago and entered the tournament scene 2 years ago. Before that I never played with comp. So I have some accumilated experience. <br /><br />And vt2 - Funny enough I have most of my best placements in the non comped tournaments. <br /><br />An interesting anecdote to this is that in the south we play with comp alot, not always but 66% in the north they don't. the last year there has been a tournament in the north twice a year, the last year the southeners have ended up basically filling the topp 10 positions with one or two exceptions, this is a tournament with 10 southeners and 60 - 70 northeners..<br /><br />Good nite kiwiland and ausies and whom ever that might be listening.<br /><br />Best regards<br /><br />Papa DUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07936955625425379793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-23293909625801306362010-09-21T06:20:07.191+10:002010-09-21T06:20:07.191+10:00Why is there even a need for a 'community'...Why is there even a need for a 'community' on a forum somewhere to 'balance' the game?<br />The rules aren't good enough on their own? Really?<br /><br />Orks are weaksauce.<br />They can compete when you strip mech out - which is done by the 'comp' - not really comp in the traditional sense, since it makes a whole lot of fully legal, available units illegal.<br /><br />Jaws of the world wolf is -billion, but living lightning is -almost nothing? Nullzone and avenger librarian is almost a free card?<br />Sometimes, I doubt people have played the actual game, and are too busy reading warseer to bother.VT2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13922615677851541327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-53820193269140681612010-09-21T06:16:13.897+10:002010-09-21T06:16:13.897+10:00I don't play handicaphammer 40k. Fact is, I...I don't play handicaphammer 40k. Fact is, I've made it a point not engage in such things, and I've been in the game for over 10 years.<br /><br />There's nothing for me to prove, and nothing for me to accomplish. If I were to bring Taak's legion list (100 comp, guaranteed), you'd answer by giving me horrible softscores on the spot, and alter the comp afterwards, so such a list can never be made again.<br /><br />It's you who should prove to me that you can win games played with the rules as they are written.VT2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13922615677851541327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-51451589829724112342010-09-21T06:16:04.210+10:002010-09-21T06:16:04.210+10:00Lyracian - Sorry man, did not read it all and assu...Lyracian - Sorry man, did not read it all and assumed... which is the mother... you hade a hive tyrant with shield, regenerate and old advesary and 3 guards with Boneswords.. it is quite hard comped, but if you remove the shield you bump up quite high.<br /><br />VT2:<br />"Why can't I run my rhinos, terminators, or predators?"<br />You can easily design a list of vanilla marines with 10 terminators, a few 3-4 rhinos and 2-3 Predators at a comp of 35 ish at 1750. That comp score is probably representative or close to representative to the hitting and stayability of your army.<br />Who decides what's 'hard,' and what's 'soft?' The mafia?<br />HAHAHA - Yeah, the mafia or wait, I finally realized, you are illiterate.. <br />But if you have a friend how can read the posts above, you see how the comp is decided. It is decided by: Copy paste:<br /><br />http://www.svenska40k.se/forum/viewforum.php?f=52&sid=f93a9f44c214fd32592ea8916972631<br /><br />If you check that link, every post in it is about the comp system, the framework for this compsystem is worked out by the 40K community. It is about 100 000 posts, so every voice is heard, the list is however compiled by 5 guys, from 5 diffrent big gaming communities, from diffrent parts of the country, what they do is to listen to the community and tries to balance and compile the ideas and arguments from within the community.<br /><br />So you VT2 can also participate and make your voice heard or, forever be silent... cause people that just hate and not try to affect any system should just be quite. So I encourage you VT2, make your voice heard and you might see that the community ain´t a secret order nor the mafia.<br /><br />Best regards<br /><br />Papa DUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07936955625425379793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-1118497591358293492010-09-21T05:55:57.241+10:002010-09-21T05:55:57.241+10:00continued ---
This is a practice that works. You ...continued ---<br /><br />This is a practice that works. You can still make hard lists though, but the difference in hardness between the hardest list and the nicest (someone called it rainbowlist?) list is lower. <br /><br />The no-comp and comp-absolutely has one single point that usually decides what camp you're cheering on: Should necrons have a greater chance to win or not? It's a fact that they are a weak army right now - sure they have some strong builds - but it's not enough to play at the same level as Orks, Nids or Imperial Guard. <br /><br />3. The organizer decide the type of tournaments. The players decide to attend. It's all 40k. I don't buy the "it's not really 40k"-argument, it feels to much of a "if-I-loose-in-this-tournament-system-I-perfectly-know-what-to-expect-then-it's-not-really-40k"-whine. ETC is "normal" enough to prove a point - half the time you are facing whatever you want and other half exactly what you don't want to face. Of all of Abusepuppy's argument, this was extremely weak and a little out of character in this discussion(sorry, man!). I feel the same way when people say that the game is balanced - it's not. The question if, of course, if one care.<br /><br />@VT2: Bring such a list and prove the system wrong. I think people on this blogg will be happy to provide with the best available army list for you with high comp. But it has been tested before.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07936955625425379793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-87055230399279338852010-09-21T05:55:34.363+10:002010-09-21T05:55:34.363+10:00Egge tried to post this, but I guess it is to long...Egge tried to post this, but I guess it is to long or something, so I post it for him in batches.<br /><br />This is really, really interesting discussion. Although VT2 keep talking nonsense - even after someone showed a couple of tournaments, including some without comp, he keeps insisting he's never heard of an tournament that allows a lower comp than 40 - Abusepuppy keeps it interesting by being sensible and keeps himnself away from lies (good job ). <br /><br />It's three points I'd like to try to make:<br /><br />1. This discussion isn't the first where people have tried to theoretically make a point by posting lists that would absolutely win a tournament in this comp-system. Practically it's not working like that. If you can make a hardcore 80 comped list - someone else can make a 60 comped list that will beat the crap out of your list. Sadly, Abusepuppy doesn't have the chance to try the system out in Sweden so it's going to be kept theoretically but I'd like to point out that it's been to practice for some while now and gives a much different result than the theoretically situations talked about here. It's not that easy to win a tournament as VT2 seems to think. <br /><br />2. In practice, this compsystem provides with this basic effect: the hardest list that are available to each army is "less harder" than in the normal case. This means that it's a greater chance you to take the units you think is cool (for instans pyrovores), with any upgrades you think is cool, and still have a greater chance of winning than in any system without comp. I'd like to emphasize the "greater"-part here. High comp usually sucks - make a kick-ass army list about 50 i comp - then you might have a winner. <br /><br />tbc --Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07936955625425379793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-75314671122081725602010-09-21T05:53:14.717+10:002010-09-21T05:53:14.717+10:00@Daniel.
Each of my Hive Tyrants has Comp -15 with...@Daniel.<br />Each of my Hive Tyrants has Comp -15 with just a single guard. I could not get them any lower without making them useless to me.Lyracianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13021663969271276571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-39848915880847481842010-09-21T05:52:09.171+10:002010-09-21T05:52:09.171+10:00Egge tried to post this but failed so I do it for ...Egge tried to post this but failed so I do it for him:<br /><br /><br />This is really, really interesting discussion. Although VT2 keep talking nonsense - even after someone showed a couple of tournaments, including some without comp, he keeps insisting he's never heard of an tournament that allows a lower comp than 40 - Abusepuppy keeps it interesting by being sensible and keeps himnself away from lies (good job ). <br /><br />It's three points I'd like to try to make:<br /><br />1. This discussion isn't the first where people have tried to theoretically make a point by posting lists that would absolutely win a tournament in this comp-system. Practically it's not working like that. If you can make a hardcore 80 comped list - someone else can make a 60 comped list that will beat the crap out of your list. Sadly, Abusepuppy doesn't have the chance to try the system out in Sweden so it's going to be kept theoretically but I'd like to point out that it's been to practice for some while now and gives a much different result than the theoretically situations talked about here. It's not that easy to win a tournament as VT2 seems to think. <br /><br />2. In practice, this compsystem provides with this basic effect: the hardest list that are available to each army is "less harder" than in the normal case. This means that it's a greater chance you to take the units you think is cool (for instans pyrovores), with any upgrades you think is cool, and still have a greater chance of winning than in any system without comp. I'd like to emphasize the "greater"-part here. High comp usually sucks - make a kick-ass army list about 50 i comp - then you might have a winner. <br /><br />This is a practice that works. You can still make hard lists though, but the difference in hardness between the hardest list and the nicest (someone called it rainbowlist?) list is lower. <br /><br />The no-comp and comp-absolutely has one single point that usually decides what camp you're cheering on: Should necrons have a greater chance to win or not? It's a fact that they are a weak army right now - sure they have some strong builds - but it's not enough to play at the same level as Orks, Nids or Imperial Guard. <br /><br />3. The organizer decide the type of tournaments. The players decide to attend. It's all 40k. I don't buy the "it's not really 40k"-argument, it feels to much of a "if-I-loose-in-this-tournament-system-I-perfectly-know-what-to-expect-then-it's-not-really-40k"-whine. ETC is "normal" enough to prove a point - half the time you are facing whatever you want and other half exactly what you don't want to face. Of all of Abusepuppy's argument, this was extremely weak and a little out of character in this discussion(sorry, man!). I feel the same way when people say that the game is balanced - it's not. The question if, of course, if one care.<br /><br />@VT2: Bring such a list and prove the system wrong. I think people on this blogg will be happy to provide with the best available army list for you with high comp. But it has been tested before.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07936955625425379793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-63192270750856877372010-09-21T05:49:44.079+10:002010-09-21T05:49:44.079+10:00@Henrik -
If I play my other Tyranids list with ...@Henrik - <br /><br />If I play my other Tyranids list with Swarmlord and Gargoyles it jumps to Comp Score: 33.<br /><br />For Marines you can replace Speeders with Attack Bikes and save 15 points and replace one Tac in Plasmaback with Sniper Scouts to save 6 points. Final Comp Score: 49.<br /><br />However why would I want to? It may work for you but I would certainly not play in these sort of events. If I want to go to a tournament I will go play Blood Bowl. :o)Lyracianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13021663969271276571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-87927332624345126282010-09-21T05:46:08.993+10:002010-09-21T05:46:08.993+10:00Lyracian - The vehicle tax is accually just recent...Lyracian - The vehicle tax is accually just recently modified and according to many "abit" too high... Also the Landraider seems a tad over priced at this version of the framework... this has been brought up and hopefully slightly lowered to the next version, but the thesis is that the more AV you have, the harder every single unit of AV becomes, like classical strength in numbers.<br /><br />But as Henrik mention, you could probably get your hive tyrant unit to comp around 17 instead of 31.<br /><br />One thing that is diffrent also, is that the meta game in Sweden differs a bit, you don't need as much anti tank in a comped environment as you do in an uncomped, since the vehcles are taxed hard, people try to find other means of delivery. <br /><br />/DUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07936955625425379793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-84218674640688773722010-09-21T05:12:46.345+10:002010-09-21T05:12:46.345+10:00@AbusePuppy:
I am happy to see that there is some...@AbusePuppy:<br /><br />I am happy to see that there is some kind of understanding from you, even if you are not convinced our way would please you all the way.<br /><br />The way many of us regards comp is perhaps different from what you have been experiencing in your area. First, our history of comp has never been a promotion of fluffy armies, but rather an ambition to increase competitiveness. It is meant as a tool to make playing skill more important and list building less important.<br />This is the goal, but everyone with experience will tell you that the system is not perfect, never will be, but it has some effect in the desired direction.<br /><br />Another idea is to make it more fun for new players. The thought behind this is that veteran players are better than beginners at list building. <br />Without comp, new players will enter tournaments with both lower playing skill and also weaker army lists. Such scenario is not fun for either the beginner or the veteran. The beginner will be chrushed without being able to get any feeling of playing a game, and the veteran will get bored. <br />Along this philosophy, the comp system is one little tool to make it more interesting for new players to get involved in the tournament scene. <br /><br />The argument "why am I not allowed to play with all the toys I have?" -can be reversed: "Wow! I can actually make a tournament-worthy army of the few crappy toys I have acqiured as a newbie!". <br /><br />Final note: Sweden has quite a vital 40k community despite being 9 million inhabitants spread out across a (comparable) large country. We have almost 500 players in our ranking system and roughly 100 players who have played more than 4 tournamants during the last 12 months.<br /><br />Finally, we have managed very well in the ETC, which (in my opinion) is proof that we have a lot of high quality players. <br /><br />Some say our comp system have had a positive influence to the community, bringing in more new players and make players better at the game.<br /><br />Regards,<br />Henrik<br /><br />PS @Lyracian: your comp is not too bad for lists that have been designed without knowledge of the system. I am pretty sure you can make a few alterations to those lists without losing too much efficiency. We call this process "comp-optimization" and is something we spend lots and lots of time with each time the system changes (3-4 times/year). Aim for 25-30 for the Nid list and 35 for the marines, and you will be all fine!Gonka Koffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14049946103026572477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-20993273230343256982010-09-21T05:07:32.513+10:002010-09-21T05:07:32.513+10:00Hey, VT2, where in Sweden are you located?
You sh...Hey, VT2, where in Sweden are you located?<br /><br />You should come over to Norway (Bergen) in February/March for the annual Winter War tournament. No comp, good times, laid back. :)Thudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10780564639303405691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-38378621521933778762010-09-21T04:58:04.648+10:002010-09-21T04:58:04.648+10:00VT2 - The list with one scoring unit and some jump...VT2 - The list with one scoring unit and some jump pack priests here is not even good at the comp it gets. It is alot of crap bunched together. But to the creators defence it was probably his first list in the new framework. Bring your high comp lists VT2 cause according to you, it is needed to win the tournements... And let us see after a hand full tournements, how it went...<br /><br />Signing out.<br /><br />P daddyUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07936955625425379793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-75131628785211885752010-09-21T04:39:10.857+10:002010-09-21T04:39:10.857+10:00Just for fun I looked at some army lists I actuall...Just for fun I looked at some army lists I actually play. This system just hates Monsters and massed Tanks as well as any useful equipment.<br /><br />My 1750 Tyranids scores 13/105 Comp<br />2x Dakka Tyrant & Guard -30, Tervigan -18, T-fex -4, Genestealers -2, 4x Hivers -19, 3xZoanthropes -9 and some gaunts -2, Monster Tax -8.<br /> <br />1500 Ultramarines score 28/107 Comp<br />Libby -5, 3x Rifleman -6, 3x Pred -15, 3x MM/HF Speeders -13, 3x Tac in Plasmaback -9, Vehicle Tax on 12 Units -31. If it was not for the hideous Vehicle tax this one would not be too bad...Lyracianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13021663969271276571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-15994490427365741932010-09-21T04:00:00.232+10:002010-09-21T04:00:00.232+10:002k usually takes less time to play than 1500, beca...2k usually takes less time to play than 1500, because people bring really big guns, toy units, and 'favored' units.<br /><br />But what if I bring a list that comps higher than yours, because I'm gaming the system, and win thanks to my softscores?<br /><br />You know, like the max comp lists people are making all over this blog right now.VT2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13922615677851541327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-13228831985233403562010-09-21T02:52:35.411+10:002010-09-21T02:52:35.411+10:00VT2 - I don't understand where you come from.....VT2 - I don't understand where you come from.. I play an all mech list at comp 40, which is the avrage comp for 1750. It is a comp where I most likely won't lose a single battle point over a tournament... Are we from diffrent worlds? No one says your not allowed to play the models you bought, attend some uncomped tournaments if you have bought a list that is "super hard" and if your list is "more balanced, try to play it at any given tournament before you judge the system. By the way this system is only one year old so please elaborate on this, name 3 tournaments with these requirements:<br /><br />"I've never heard of anywhere that left you play lists below 50.<br />It used to be 40, but is now upped."<br /><br />The statement bellow is not true:<br /><br />"Third is 25-75 - but that means very little. If you take too hard a list, you lose softscores, and can't win the tournament, even if you get max massacres."<br /><br />The last three tournaments I have been at, I won 2 of them with an avrage score of 14 and the fifth was won by someone else with an avrage score of 16. This could be done with any hardcore low comp list.. Attend a tournament and you'll see.<br /><br />This is a falsarium:<br /><br />"That's why we don't play 2k all that often, Taak =P"<br /><br />We do usually not play 2K because it takes a long time and we rather finish our games in 3 hours so we have time for more games, I would say avrage in sweden is 1500 - 1750, but we have a few 2k tourneys also. Dalcon, Varberg and fantasia for example.<br /><br />Now I have to go and workout.. but I will continue in the search for truth =)<br /><br />Best regards<br /><br />Papa DUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07936955625425379793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-54171890725468345442010-09-21T02:42:26.836+10:002010-09-21T02:42:26.836+10:00I think it's fair to say that I have 'diff...I think it's fair to say that I have 'different experiences,' since the butthurt people are saying 25 is the standard limit, but I have yet to hear about one that has less than 40.<br /><br />It's true that comp always varies - but that doesn't really excuse it, now does it?<br />My main problem isn't with the arbitrary points level, but the system itself.<br /><br />Why can't I run my rhinos, terminators, or predators? <br />Who decides what's 'hard,' and what's 'soft?' The mafia?<br /><br />Why can't we play 40k?VT2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13922615677851541327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-600589111118264680.post-34722196659810198082010-09-21T02:37:21.622+10:002010-09-21T02:37:21.622+10:00*shrug* Maybe what he said was a lie; maybe he jus...*shrug* Maybe what he said was a lie; maybe he just has different experiences with tournaments than you. I could hardly be less qualified to speak on what happens at Swedish 40K tournaments, so I'm not going to speculate. However, the point is irrelevant.<br /><br />I realize you are not trying to bring comp to us; if you feel satisfied with the way things are run, more power to you. I am not here to _force_ anyone to change the way they play, nor to bully, embarrass, or insult anyone into doing so. My aim is only to provide you with what I feel are persuasive arguments supported by good evidence that my views are correct. If you don't find them so... well, perhaps I haven't been as clear as I like, or perhaps we have different views on how things should be, or perhaps I'm just simply wrong; these things happen. I hope you don't take my arguments as insinuations that our (or my) way of gaming is somehow inherently superior to yours.<br /><br />I find, in my country at least, that the death of communication between those with different viewpoints- in fact, the _unwillingness_ to even listen to someone who might disagree- to be amazingly harmful to society on all levels. Polite discourse and sound argumentation are the best way, I think, to find common ground on issues and to try and find essential truths about the world around us.AbusePuppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07413248837734103198noreply@blogger.com