"Hey Kirby/The 3++ Team! Thanks for the help on the space wolves it's Kyle again( aka Gorak) After some play testing I found the wolves we're A) good B) Hybrid. Now there lies the problem for me, I just can't do hybrids something deep down in the back of my brain screams at me you're letting all there stuff do things! So with that in mind and my general dislike of painting a shitload of tanks I've decide to try the bloodhammer out at ardboyz level and I need some advice. I have two varients of this list one with sanguinary guard and the other with Vanguard Veterans. I'd like to know which the 3++ minds like better and any advice on improving them. Ok enough ranting the lists!
2500 Pts - BloodHammer(Vanguard Veterans)
HQ
Librarian @ 125 pts
(Blood Lance;Shield of Sanguinius;Jump Pack)
Elite
3 Sanguinary Priest @ 180 pts
(Jump Packx2;Lightning Clawx2)
2 Sanguinary Priest @ 130 pts
(Jump Packx2;Lightning Clawx2)
Troops
10 Assault Squad @ 235 pts
(Power Fist;Meltagunx2)
10 Assault Squad @ 235 pts
(Power Fist;Meltagunx2)
10 Assault Squad @ 235 pts
(Power Fist;Meltagunx2)
10 Assault Squad @ 235 pts
(Power Fist;Meltagunx2)
Heavy Support
5 Devastator Squad @ 130 pts
(Missile Launcher x4)
5 Devastator Squad @ 130 pts
(Missile Launcher x4)
5 Devastator Squad @ 130 pts
(Missile Launcher x4)
Fast Attack
5 Vanguard Veteran Squad @ 250 pts
(Thunder Hammer;Storm Shieldx2; Lightning Clawx2)
5 Vanguard Veteran Squad @ 250 pts
(Thunder Hammer;Storm Shieldx2; Lightning Clawx2)
Total Roster Cost: 2500
2500 Pts - BloodHammer(Sanguinary Guard)
HQ
Librarian @ 125 pts
(Blood Lance;Shield of Sanguinius;Jump Pack)
Commander Dante @ 225 pts
Elite
3 Sanguinary Priest @ 180 pts
(Jump Packx2;Lightning Clawx2)
3 Sanguinary Priest @ 180 pts
(Jump Packx2;Lightning Clawx2)
Troops
10 Assault Squad @ 235 pts
(Power Fist;Meltagunx2)
10 Assault Squad @ 235 pts
(Power Fist;Meltagunx2)
10 Assault Squad @ 235 pts
(Power Fist;Meltagunx2)
10 Assault Squad @ 235 pts
(Power Fist;Meltagunx2)
Sanguinary Guard @ 230 pts
(Power Fist;Infernus Pistox2)
Sanguinary Guard @ 230 pts
(Power Fist;Infernus Pistox2)
Heavy Support
5 Devastator Squad @ 130 pts
(Missile Launcher x4)
5 Devastator Squad @ 130 pts
(Missile Launcher x4)
5 Devastator Squad @ 130 pts
(Missile Launcher x4)
Total Roster Cost: 2500"
I prefer the first list. The only change I'd make is turning both of the VV units to PFist, 3x SS, 1x LClaw to give a bit more secruity in terms of 3++. The main issue with the list is actual combat power and whilst 6 PFists, Libby, and 6 LClaws backed up by all those S5/I5 attacks is nice, it might leave you wanting at some stage. The 2nd list is an okay upgrade to ensure that happens but isn't gaining maximum use of what you're trying to do IMO. With only two SG squads you're not gaining as much as possible from Dante. If you were to run this type of list I'd either drop Dante and put the SG squads in Elites (and drop the 2x Priests) and with the spare points grab Honor Guard. Something like...
Libby w/Lance, Shield, JP
2x HG w/JP, 3x meltagun
3x Priest, 2 w/JP, LClaw
2x SG w/PFist
4x10x ASM w/2x meltagun, PFist
3x5x Devs w/4x ML
Totals: 2495 points
79 infantry (16 foot, 63 jumpers)
I'd then go with this one or your first list with the suggested changes depending upon what you want. The 2nd list is going to give you more offensive punch, particularly in combat whilst your first list is going to be more offensive on the drop with VV and more capable of different deployments but relying on those special weapons to get you out of trouble.
