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Wednesday, August 18, 2010

Email in: Army List Question [Space Wolves 2k]


"Hey Kirb,

Not really a full on army list question, more of a comparison I suppose. Which, in your opinion, is more effective: 1 Rfileman Dread or 2 TLLC Razorbacks? Reason I ask is I'm doing my usual SW Army List revamping and deciding whether switching my old Dakka Dread of 2 RB's for my Fangs is worth it.

I never caved in to the Wolf Guard in GH units, until I did some mental math and realized that they both have the same # of PW attacks on the charge or receiving a charge, so having a WG in their was only beneficial for the LD. Yet upon comparing their abilities with a PF I realized that WG make much more sense in the packs. Plus the cost of an extra GH and PW was 30pts. The cost of a WG with combi-melta and PW was 33pts...so +1LD for 3pts was definitely worth it. The same goes for the PF - an extra GH and PF was 40pts, yet the WG was 43pts...so again +1LD for +3pts but ALSO +1 attack...which was nice. So I gave in :-)

Anyway the point of all this rambling is whether the Dakka Dread is a better buy than 2TLLC RB's.
Crap, I guess I'll have to show the list to make this make more sense:

List 1 (Dread included):
Vayar Protectors of Miklaagaard VI

HQ:
Master of Runes Odin
Rune Priest, Living Lightning, Tempests Wrath, WTN, Chooser of the Slain, Saga of the Beast Slayer
Total: 120

Lord Tyr
Wolf Lord, Wolf Claw, SS, Saga of Warrior Born, Wolf Tail Talisman, WTN, Thunderwolf Mount
Total: 245

Elites:
Dreadnought
2X TLAC
Total: 125

Thor, The Lone Berserker, Seeker of Doom
Lone Wolf. Terminator Armor, TH/SS, 1X Fenrisian Wolf (Jormagundr)
Total: 95

Baldr, The Lost Brother, He Who is Bound in Chains
Lone Wolf, Terminator Armor, CF/SS, 1X Fenrisian Wolf
Total: 95

Troops:
Emir's Bane
10X GH, 2X MG, PW, MotW, Wolf Standard, Rhino
Total: 230

Masters of Roos Tertius
10X GH, 2X MG, PW, MotW, Wolf Standard, Rhino
Total: 230

Protectors of Byznum
10X GH, 2X MG, PF, MotW, Rhino
Total: 230

Fast:
2X Thunderwolf Cav (Lord goes here)
1X Storm Shield, Meltabombs (1X)
Total: 135

3X Thunderwolf Cav
1X SS, 1X TH, Meltabombs (1X)
Total: 215

Heavy:
Long Fangs
5 LF, 1 Pack, 5X ML
Total: 140

Long Fangs
5X LF, PL, 5X ML
Total: 140

Total: 2000

Ok, now with some tweaking, I came up with the following:

HQ:
Master of Runes Odin
Rune Priest, Living Lightning, Tempests Wrath, WTN, Chooser of the Slain, Saga of the Beast Slayer
Total: 120

Lord Tyr
Wolf Lord, Wolf Claw, SS, Saga of Warrior Born, Wolf Tail Talisman, WTN, Thunderwolf Mount
Total: 245

Elites:
3X Wolf Guard
3X Combi-Melta, 1X WC, 2X PF
Total: 124

Thor, The Lone Berserker, Seeker of Doom
Lone Wolf, Terminator Armor, TH/SS, 1X Fenrisian Wolf (Jormagundr)
Total: 95

Baldr, The Lost Brother, He Who is Bound in Chains
Lone Wolf, Terminator Armor, CF/SS
Total: 85

Troops:
Emir's Bane
9X GH, 1X MG, MotW, Wolf Standard, Rhino
Total: 200

Masters of Roos Tertius
9X GH, 1X MG, MotW, Wolf Standard, Rhino
Total: 200

Protectors of Byznum
9X GH, 1X MG, MotW, Rhino, Wolf Standard
Total: 200

Fast:
1X Thunderwolf Cav (Lord goes here)
1X Storm Shield, Meltabombs (1X)
Total: 85

3X Thunderwolf Cav
1X SS, 1X TH, Meltabombs (1X)
Total: 215

Heavy:
Long Fangs
5 LF, 1 Pack, 5X ML, Razorback, TLLC
Total: 215

Long Fangs
5X LF, PL, 5X ML, Razorback, TLLC
Total: 215

Total: 1999

Thanks Kirbolicious!

Brian aka Roland

PS - I have a sick conversion idea for Baldr, so when I return home I'm going to do a miniseries on my conversion for him."

I'd go for the first list Roland but drop the Dread for the Wolf Guard (you can keep the same configuration from your 2nd list). That saves you a point and then you save 90 points with the GH reduction. Couple things we can do here, first off let's give the Wolf Lord 2 puppies as this makes the TWC unit even more evil <3 (and swap the SS to a TH on the smaller squad). 71 points to play with. Another Long Fang squad would be benifical, let's see if we can't tweak it to grab some more Fangs, too. Taking the 2x 6x LF w/ 5x ML + the extra points to 3x 5x LF w/4x ML gives us 2 more missiles across 2 more targets and we still have 6 points to play with, yummy!

How do you prefer that Roland? The only armor you have is the Rhinos which is a pain but they can screen your TWC/Lone Wolves the first couple of turns whilst you blast out missiles and lightning and when you hit your opponent's lines, you hit like a ton of bricks. If you wanted a more balanced list I'd drop the Wolves for Dreads but that's less fluffy and I know you like fluff & competitiveness balanced =p.

5 pinkments:

VT2 said...

More is always better than less, but the linked lascannon is inferior to the lascannon and linked plasmagun.

Stormy said...

Not necessarily. I've found that the fewer Razors you have the better you off you are taking Twin-Las as you'll need the increased accuracy to damage tanks.

Having more shots compensates for the lack of linking when you run Razorspam.

Roland Durendal said...

Kirb, you rock. I like it.

Though to my original question: 2X TLLC RB's or a Dakka Dread? Which puts out more hurt overall?

VT2 said...

Lascannons aren't there to hurt tanks.
You bring melta for that.

Lascannon and linked plasma is an offensive tool, used to destroy all types of infantry out in the open, and keeping elite units stuck in cover.

Predator destructor brings more hurt than two linked lascannons. Very easy.
Predator gets 8 shots, and doesn't really care if the target is in cover or not. The two razorbacks get two shots between them, and hate it when people are in covver.

Kirby said...

Rifle Dread Roland. 2x LasPlas Rbacks...bit different and I'd lean slightly towards the LasPlas but different roles as VT2 pointed out.

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