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Saturday, December 3, 2011

Email in: Can yoy check my list? (Black Legion 2005 pts)


"Hi! Our tournaments are about 2005 pts and I created this list focusing on the background of the Black Legion and I want to be analyzed by you in your blog.

Let me know!

Best regards,

Oswaldo A. Rojas Meléndez
Blog: El Taller del Cuervo


Name: Black Legion Strike Force!

1x1 Daemon Prince / wings / wind of chaos (160 pts)
Función: atracción principal y propagador del mal a 4+.

1x5 Choosen chaos space marines / 3 meltas / 2 plasmas / rhino - combi-melta (195 pts)
Función: caza tanques e infantería de élite.

1x5 Plague marines / x2 melta / rhino (170 pts)
Función: controladores de objetivos, anti tanques e infantería de élite.

1x5 Plague marines / x2 plasma / rhino - havoc launcher (195 pts)
Función: controladores de objetivos, apoyo a distancia y anti tanques e infantería de élite.

1x8 Khorne Berserkers / skull champion - power fist / rhino - extra armour - combi-melta (268 pts)
Función: atacantes psicópatas y recupera objetivos

1x8 Khorne Berserkers / skull champion - power fist / rhino - extra armour (258 pts)
Función: atacantes psicópatas y recupera objetivos

2x3 Chaos Biker / 2 meltas (238 pts)
Función: Caza tanques

1x3 Obliterator Cult (225 pts)
Función: caza tanques y anti todo.

1x1 Defiler (150 pts)
Función: anti tropa, caza tanques.

1x1 Vindicator / daemonic possession (145 pts)
Función: caza tanques y anti todo.

Total 2004 pts"


Well I can't really read the language it's in - but luckily I can guess!Unfortunately I feel the list is pretty lacklustre - it feels like you're just playing with the units you have available to you (which is fine). The Daemon Prince really needs to have Nurgle for T6 goodness and there needs to be two of them to increase the chances of them smacking your opponent around. Chosen are trying to be too multi-purpose and only one squad limits their application. Plagues are fine. Zerkers are like-wise fine but EA on Rhinos isn't really needed - expensive. Bikers are expensive and whilst they do bring fast melta to the table, getting Chosen in Rhinos is often a better bet. More expensive but more options and another tank on the table. Heavy Support should nearly always be Oblits - a couple of Terminator models are pretty easy for most armies to deal with but when you get 6-9 of them along with all the Rhinos you shouldbe running, it's harder for opponents to deal with them and they put out some nice firepower.

Which takes you back to one of the 'standard' list layouts. Nurgle Princes + Chosen, Plagues, Zerkers in Rhinos and Oblits. Keeping as close to that is honestly going to be your best bet with Chaos but I'm not sure how restricted you are on models, etc. More information in that regard can help us refine this more in regards to what you have.

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Ah, CSM. I actually finally got around to buying the rhinos and predators (which may just run as rhinos as well) my old csm army needed to update to 5th (lol). It's pretty sad, but the mono buildiness of csm is just depressing. I'm trying out some auto cannon spam in my current list with no real hopes it will pan out, its a stopgap while I finish my obits so I can run the same bog standard list as the rest of the world lol. Here's hoping the new dex arrives swiftly (by end of Q2 would make me soooooo happy) and we finally have some flavor in the army again.
Thaks for you commets, today I played with this list against a horde of orcs, survived 6 turns but eventually was razed, and the bikes didn't nothing!!!
1: Defiler is not great, but it's fine. Same for Vindicator. But running BOTH at the same time, is NOT fine. You can't afford to give up two precious HS slots that can be used for ranged anti-tank support, and only get mediocre anti-tank support. You need to drop one and get either an Auto-Las Pred, or more Oblits.

2: DP shouldn't have the Wind, it wants to hide in melee. Killing units in shooting or making them fall back so you can't assault them is not going to help it. Mark of Nurgle is fine, but I just run two without a mark, just Wings, as cheap CC beaters.

3: Bikes are poor in general, and don't fit this list.

4: I like Dreads with MM/HF. Not as good offensively as Chosen in Rhinos, but defensively they cost 105 for an AV12 platform, while the Chosen are 170 or so for an AV11 platform. Dreads give you more resilience against shooting, protecting your Troops Rhinos from heavy weapons fire. If you're going to keep the Defiler instead of the Vindicator, I'd look to get some Dreads... 2 DPs, 2 Dreads, and 1 Defiler are a reasonably scary MC/Dread push into midfield. I would try to fit those in along with Oblits, probably dropping the Chosen and the Power Fists/Champions from the Khorne squads. With Dreads/MCs hitting the tough targets, you just want the Berzerkers for infantry killing, and you don't need PF for that.

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