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Saturday, December 3, 2011

Newcrons & Crypteks

Gentlemen's Ones

In this post I'm going to look at some of what I have found to be the better Cryptek choices over my play-testing so far. Crypteks are an obviously important piece of the new Necrons codex but their effectiveness is going to hinge quite a bit on how GW FAQ's them. If you take two courts, can each court detach a model to the same squad? If yes, well there are so many options here it's not funny. If no, it's unfortunate and won't really impact the effectiveness of Crypteks, but it would be another "we hate Xenos" blow by Games Workshop and will impact army list building (i.e. you have 2x Royal Courts and grab 10x Crypteks...what do you do with the extra four?). We shall all hold our breath and hope GW does the right thing and does allow it...but let's not get our hopes up.



Regardless, Crypteks are a neat tool for the Necron general as they can bring some unique abilities to the Necron army and help plug some holes in units. They are nearly exactly like Wolf Guard for Space Wolves in that they can be spread around in multiple squads (most notably Immortals and Warriors) and become part of that squad (i.e. can become a Troop model and score) or remain as part of the original unit (for a larger unit of badassery). With five specific Cryptek types each with some unique wargear (one per Royal Court) this gives the Necrons a lot of flexibility. The only downside is two Overlords (or Overlord Special Characters) need to be taken to access two Royal Courts (and thus two special pieces of wargear each or 6+ Crypteks). This is often expensive and restricts some HQ choices (i.e. Destroyer Lords) and forces you to find places for both Overlords in your army (which can be pretty easy - hello Command Barges).

So, what do Crypteks really provide for the army? The most obvious answer is some mobile anti-tank due to eldritch lance. Range 36", S8, AP2, Assault 1 is a very nice statline and adds some S8 firepower to an army which sort of lacks it. The problem here is saturation of Lance Crypteks and if the FAQ goes in the wrong direction, finding places for 10 of these guys is going to be hard. Also, 2x Lance shots from Warrior/Immortal squads is a lot scarier than 1x Lance shot. Furthermore, 10 Lance Crypteks is 350 points (not to mention the standard Solar Pulse and Overlord costs). Whilst many point out that the Lance Cryptek is a similar price to a foot Dark Lance in Dark Eldar with added advantage of mobility (but disadvantage of no Lance profile), rarely do you see armies dropping so many points into infantry based heavy weapons when we include the cost of the Overlords as well.

Beyond the Lance Cryptek however there are a few good abilities available and a load of crap ones. We've already mentioned the Solar Pulse which is a great defensive and offensive tool every Necron should have at least one of but there are others as well. The Harp of Dissonance, whilst expensive and requires two Courts to access two Harps, has some amazing utility. Yes, it requires a 3+ to hit and a 4+ for Entropic Strike to engage but the range at which it can operate (infinitely) and inflict negative AV damage to vehicles is a great bonus to have. Consider that dropping a vehicle one AV point will increase every weapon in your army's effectiveness. For example, a Rhino/Razorback loses 1 AV point and can now be penetrated by your basic Teslamortal whilst the Lance Crypteks are causing damage on an armor roll of a 2+ and Tesla Destructors on a 3+. Suddenly AV14 is far less scary when you can throw two Harps at it a turn. Whilst two harps are only going to drop an average of two AV every three turns...that's two tanks you have to worry less about. For 50 points? Not bad and some nice utility but not great.

Veil of Darkness provides some decent mobility options to the Necron army but like Solar Pulses and Harps, you are restricted to two per army (which requires two Overlords). Not being able to take you out of combat anymore is a bit crappy, as is the 30 point price tag (plus 25 points for the Cryptek) but being able to move units around the tabletop to avoid next turn assaults, move units onto objectives/table quarters, move units into side/rear arcs of tanks, setup assaults for next turn, etc. are all very nice options, particularly since you can do this anywhere on the board.

Chronometron is also a nice wargear choice but like the others, can only be taken twice in an army which requires two courts. Chronometron allows one D6 for the Cryptek or its squad to be re-rolled. There are a lot of applications for this - simply ask yourself how often do you wish you could re-roll just one die for a unit? Well now you can each turn. This could be particularly effective in re-rolling a damage result on the vehicle damage chart, special abilities (i.e. Traveller's tank control, Stormlord's storm, etc.), entropic strike, so on and so forth but its true effectiveness will be known after the FAQ (i.e. can it affect the Stormlord's storm). Either way - re-rolls are nice and one could often find use for this in their army.

The Seismic crucible and tremorstave are also nice options for Crypteks. Tremorstaves are nice enough that when taking Crypteks with the crucible (or harp) you gain some extra utility but could also be considered just for this ability alone. Like the Solar Pulse which can control the table in relation to Night Fight, tremor staves (along with other Necron options) can control the board in relation to terrain by forcing opponent's to count as moving through terrain. Opponent's will learn to hate this as when they roll double 1's or if you have other Necron terrain affecting abilities (hello Writhing Worldscape). It's a bit unreliable due to the nature of terrain but forcing certain units to take dangerous terrain checks (i.e. Jump Troops, tanks, etc.), not make specific moves (i.e. turbo-boosts) or simply forcing your opponent to roll extra dice to reach you or objectives is a nice option to have and range 36" allows this to be used early and often.

The crucible compounds this movement limiting effect by reducing charges against the Cryptek unit by D3 inches. This could stop a charge from opponent's even 1" away if it goes through terrain and the dice match-up (prepare for this to be FAQ'd away) but even if this is not the case, reducing charge distance against the Cryptek's unit is going to greatly improve the unit's ability to stave off combat (a place where Necrons suck) and allows the Necron general more control over the battlefield and their units. This wins games and for 10 points is a nice option but is only really going to see full benefit in an army using larger units. Still, not a bad use of 10 points on Crypteks you may already be purchasing for tremorstaves or harps.

Other than that unfortunately there aren't a lot of great options - most of the Staves for Crypteks are lacklustre outside of the eldritch lance or tremorstave. A lot of people have made waves about the volatic staff which is an assault 4, haywire weapon. This can really cause some havoc to vehicles and is excellent at suppression but the Necron army is pretty good at suppression already. It's also hampered by 12" range meaning you shoot with it, screw around a transport and then get assaulted and very likely lose. There are some options for it but its not really great and the unique items available to these Crypteks aren't great either.

In the end I think Destruction Crypteks are going to see the most use for obvious reasons - eldritch lance and the couple of Solar Pulses an army can get. Transmogrification Crypteks will likely also see significant use with their ability to affect the tabletop and how the opponent moves/assaults as well having the only (infinitely) ranged entropic strike weapon available to Necrons. There are a few other uses for Crypteks such as Veil of Darkness and Chronometron but I feel those two will see the most use as they have good extra options and their basic staves are nice. That being said, one must be very careful how inclusive they are with their Crypteks - they support the army, they are not the actual army.

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Not a particularly good article, particularly because instead of methodically starting from what's available and attempting to find uses for Crypteks beyond being mobile infantry anti-tank, you pick a few popular options and use them to blinker yourself and your readers. Trying to justify a particular conclusion makes for a bad review.

For example, you fail to discuss what Crypteks can do for Lychguard and Deathmarks, and fail to compare them to Lords in terms of opportunity cost, or discuss all the wargear available.

Also, I'm pretty sure a Chronometron is one dice roll per phase, which can do things like re-roll leadership tests, or pinning tests, or sweeping advance tests, or reanimation tests, or difficult terrain tests, or dangerous terrain tests, etc.
5 replies · active 699 weeks ago
Nurglitch is putting out good points Kirby, you need to do an article on this.
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Auretious Taak · 700 weeks ago

You have it right on chronometron - you can use it in your movement, shooting and close combat phase and your opponents movement, shooting and close combat phase. In each Game turn that is in effect 6 re-rolls potentially for a unit (Death or glory attacks when being tank shocked in their movement phase for example).

The deathmark combo with the aeonstave to allow for marked units to be wounded on a 2+ by the ap 1 template is wholly awesome. Until the FAQ clarrifies whther this is till good to go (your strength 8 wounds vs leadership, but vs marked units deathmark units {not deathmarks themselves but the unit so hello cryptek!) wound on a 2+ so it's one of the more potent combo's out there and it's disappointing to see it not even rated.
while the lords are useful with their res obs and such, i have trouble finding places to put them because the crypteks need spreading through the army first. most of the time, there just isnt enough units for each court member to join
This certainly wasn't a review but rather a look at what I have found and expect to be useful from my playtesting and some comments on what the Internets is saying.

A full review will be forth-coming in the future.
Depending on the point level finding room for 2 overlords is not a hard thing (either with phaeron or command barge). Definitely not something for 1500 points, but at 2000 it's workable (points will be tight, but that's just how necrons roll).

Out of your play testing I was wondering Kirby have you tried using them like devastator squads in the backfield in ghost arcs? It's something I've been meaning to experiment with myself, and I'm not sure if it's any better than sticking them in squads given you can fire at more targets (granted sometimes at the expense of the squad's shooting).
It says it right in the codex entry that a unit can only have 1 member of the royal court join them.
So no having 2+ crypteks and/or lords in the same unit as your overlord.
The other problem with the royal court is that they cannot have a dedicated transport of any kind. =(

However, one thing that NO ONE is talking about regarding the royal court is that the lords and crypteks aren't Independent Characters so can safely hide in units without fear of being targeted in melee. That's pretty hot especially for lords since they can have the war scythe and attack with impunity.
7 replies · active 700 weeks ago
I think Kirby's point is that if you can have two Overlords, then they can both have a Royal Court, and so that the statement that only one member of the Royal Court can join a unit really means one member from each Royal Court can join a unit.

And, of course, GW's incoming attempt to clarify what is already clear as day will be taken as an affront to everyone that already bought ten Cryptek models...
Heh, at the price, I hope most people will buy 10 other Necron models, and do some weapon/head conversions.
Clearly a cunning plot by GW to promote sales of its Immortal/Deathmark box and its Lychguard/Praetorian box. Those dastards!
At the price I can see GW rolling with it, remember that most of the faq nerfs have occured in situations without a model present like nid spore pods, or doom of malati (not sure of sp). It doesn't seem to be gamebreaking so I can see GW enjoying the added sales because this isn't something like dreadkinght shunting for a first turn assault.
Oh Shunt-Punch, we hardly knew ye.
I disagree that it is as clear as day, it says:

"Before the battle, each member of the Royal Court has the option of being split off...(etc)... Only one member of the Royal Court can join each unit in this manner, otherwise they remain part of the Royal Court."

There's a "the" before Royal Court, so its referring to one member of the court in question, it doesn't say only one member of a Royal Court, which would be clearer. So, we're definitely left wondering for now, I'm intrigued to discover what GW says, since you would think this came up during play testing.
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Auretious Taak · 700 weeks ago

If you compare copies of coidices the "A" and the "THE" aren't uniform across all printings. As in some printings use THE for all references to the court yet some also have A involved at just the right point to state that nay, only 1 can join a unit ever.

There's debate about what constitutes leading a unit as well and whether you can have 2 or more members of a squad leading the group, but as there are no hard and fast rules for that currently (the wolf guard are slightly differently worded mentioning just one wolf guard per unit attached, Royal Courts miss that clear cut specifificty) there's nothing to say otherwise. It's not clear cut, Kirby hhas it right, it is one of the big questions that needs to be FAQ'ed.
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Lurking Horror · 700 weeks ago

[Kirby] If no, it's unfortunate ... but it would be another "we hate Xenos" blow by Games Workshop [/Kirby]

Um, what? Let's compare the rules to a similar mechanic - Wolf Guard. Can you have more than one Wolf Guard join a squad, just because you have two or three packs of Wolf Guard? No. So if they bother putting it in the FAQ at all, how is that "Xenos hate", as you put it?
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Auretious Taak · 700 weeks ago

No Lurking Horror, the rules are similar but different. Wolf Guard wording specifically limits you to one wolf guard attachment per unit no matter how many wolf guard are present in the army. The Royal Court rules are worded slightly differently such that this is unclear.
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Lurking Horror · 700 weeks ago

Yes, they're similar. The rule for Royal Court is very similar to the rule for Wolf Guard, but again with poor word choice that makes it potentially ambiguous if you want to read it that way.

I'm still waiting to see how, if they put it in the FAQ and rule it the same as Wolf Guard, that it would be "Xenos hate".
The point is that it would be using the weaker of two possible rulings. You can only ever have one wolf guard unit, so your analogy is a poor one.
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Lurking Horror · 699 weeks ago

For the third time - I'm still waiting to see how it would be "Xenos hate" to rule it that way, when it would actually be in line with their exisiting rules.
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SomeCallMeTim · 699 weeks ago

You can have 3 WG units, 6 with Grimnar.
I am with Lurking Horror in this, it is hardly xeno hate if the ruling is similiar to the marine codex.
How does it even make sense? Two separate (probably rival) overlords sends their lieutenants to take command of the same unit?
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Auretious Taak · 699 weeks ago

You can have 3 wolf guard units in a standard FOC and 6 if running Logan, not a maximum of 1 WG unit - that hearkens back to previous editions of the game/codex space wolves not the present one. So the analogy is not a poor one, moreover it is the only existing precedent for the rule, this is why so many people bring it up "Guest".
Because it's not an issue - Necrons being able to put 2 Crypteks/Lords in squads is not a bad thing (i.e. unbalanced) so why would it need to be done?

Also, to points further below, just because GW has set a precedent with one army doesn't mean it works for the next *looks at psychic hoods and shadow in the warp.*
In this case the FAQ should really just clarify the unit they were trying to design - balance isn't the only consideration. If the intention was that the royal court allows one upgrade squad leader per-squad, FAQing it should just clarify that. If the two-leader combo opportunity was intended, a simple yes will let everyone get on with it.

I know we all want a much more effective FAQ policy that allows for sensible re-balancing of codexes over their lifespan, but sometimes FAQ and errata should be as simple as just clearing up how the author intended the units to look and work. Fluffwise just a few weeks ago there was a limit of two lords per army, and now we're discussing whether two lords can be attached as upgrade characters to a min unit of warriors.
Never mind all that. Nice model! I jest, of course.
Thanks for the nod.
Cheers.
B
my usual royal court setup is 3 destruction guys (one with solar pulse) and two tremorstave guys (one with harp)
ive got enough warrior/immortal units for them to cruise around with, and they always impact the game in a good way for me (been playing at 1500pts so far)
i doubt ill go for two overlord and courts though, my other HQ is a destroyer lord and he goes with a maxed out wraith squad. its a beastly unit, it takes whatever its thrown at it and generally sodomizes whatever it runs into in combat
goddamn thing deleting my posts

my usual royal court setup is 3 destruction guys (one with solar pulse) and two tremorstave guys (one with harp, one with crucible) and they do very well in most games. ive got enough warrior/immortal units to spread them out (crucible guy joins the same unit as the overlord)
however i dont think ill have two overlords and courts though. my other HQ is a destroyer lord with a maxed out wraith squad, and they tend to murder anything they touch in combat while taking everything the enemy can throw at them.

also Kirby a Cryptek with the Harp is 55pts (25 for the cryptek, 5 for barbinger upgrade and 25 for the harp)

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