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Saturday, March 19, 2011

Grey Knight Librarians + Grand Masters


This is just a quick post for me today as I have other more important stuff to do on Saturdays! Anyway, one of the major issues with Librarians and Grand Masters (and a couple of the other HQs but these guys are really good HQs so jump out as the biggest offenders) is they come standard with Terminator armor. This means the majority of transports one takes in a Grey Knight army (Rhinos and Razorbacks) can't do diddly squat in actually transporting these monstrous behemoths. This can really be an issue when you're trying to fit these guys into your army lists as they are made of pure win (with a bit of swiss cheese on the side). To run them effectively you'd be looking at putting them on foot and looking at more Hybrid list or coughing up the big bucks/points for Land Raiders or Storm Ravens which don't always fit well into lists and need two to gain saturation.

Luckily someone (Jcd386) pointed out a shockingly simple solution, put them in Chimeras. Yes, Rhinos and Razorbacks designed to carry 2m tall Warriors clad in (what I imagine is) very heavy armor of super-human nature cannot carry the same Warriors in heavier armor but Chimeras designed to transport weedy little guys like you and me can...go figure?

This makes including a single GK HQ with Terminator armor a lot easier! We obviously still have to work within this constraint if we are taking two TDA HQs as we cannot access henchmen without some form of Inquisitors (why weren't these guys Elites again?). We've got a lot of Inquisitor options with quite a few special characters (Coteaz and Karadread being some decent ones) as well as your bare bones cheap ones. As I discussed in the PsyCoteaz posts, Inquisitors can be great utility and the ability to unlock a Hench squad which can take a cheap transport to take a Terminator GK HQ is a very nice option to have.



Anyway just food for thought. Don't despair with your Libby/GMs! You may not be able to take a pure GK list with them if you don't want to run some of the above mentioned options but there is a lot of potential to field them in a pure mech list without Land Raiders or Stormravens. It just comes down to picking what Inquisitor you want to run and what you want that Inquisitor to do + what you want the Henchmen squad to ultimately be (cheap access to a Chimera, heavy weapon bunker, midfield support, etc.?).

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spaguatyrine · 738 weeks ago

Buy the Storm Raven. With Psybolt Ammunition it is worth it. You don't always need 2 of everything. 1 at 1500 hundred is fine. I use the Chimera trick now with the old codex, but unless you are going to take Coteaz to have multiple Chimeras in the higher point games we normally play, then the one Chimera just won't do.

Base Terminators are where the strength of this army is. Just 1 unit on the board will make a huge difference.
I posted my first 1500 list that I will play test tomorrow on my blog:

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I do not see this option lasting past the first FAQ, but you never know...
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Dingareth · 738 weeks ago

Third time I've pointed this out, but Chimeras have always been able to carry Terminators. Check the last Demon Hunters book.
Eh, It makes a certain sense. Chimeras can carry Ogryn, too, right?
Wasn't this the same back in Codex: DH? Couldn't transport Terminators with rhinos but you could with chimera...
Now someone needs to make a comic of a whole bunch of Terminators ghost-riding chimeras against chaos marines while Corteauz stands back with a row of Jokarros flipping the bird (while shooting lasers).

They should all be wearing sunglasses.
The reason why Chimeras can transport Terminators is because they are originally designed to transport men and Ogryns ... which are HUGE! :)

Expect it to stay being able to transport Termies.
2 replies · active 738 weeks ago
Yeah, but IIRC, Ogryns take up two spaces in the Chimera. Shouldn't the Termies?
They do. If I recall correctly, the wording on Terminator armor is "this takes up two spaces in a transport, and cannot enter Rhinos or Razorbacks".
Rhinos used to be able to transport Terminators. Hell, they could even transport Dreadnoughts back in the day... that was fun :D
i give it time to 1st FAQ, then they will edit it so chims cant transport models in TA. Only reason why it wasnt FAQed now, no1 cares about DH now, so now need to FAQ them.
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Cant see a reason why Chims would be FAQ'd to not take Termies since they can take Ogryns which are bigger.
ffs stupid keyborad, i'm naz or naz-ghul not stupid nazi. plz, kirby or someone can edit my last post? plzzzzzzzzzz stupid misstype
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I'll see if I can. Make an account though, problem solved =D.
It makes me SO ANGRY that Techmarines can't take Terminator Armour. SO ANGRY

How else can I have grenade-caddies, Mr Ward?
3 replies · active 738 weeks ago
Take a GM or brother-captain if you want grenades. Techmarine armour is already 2+ and it's got more bling than TDA.
No PT. Despite the grenades, I think the techmarine is still more of a back field support role than getting stuck in with the termies.
There is another solution; you attach your Terminator heroes to your Terminator/Paladin blob. Not everything in the army needs to move fast, it's mostly just your shooty units to get them out of assault situations. Terminator and Paladin blobs on the other hand love nothing more than having the enemy charge them, because Bro Banner+halberds+Librarian hax/Grandmaster nades makes virutally every assault unit in the game cry tears of rage.

If that doesn't appeal, I would take the Stormraven. It adds more anti-tank and 48" firepower, it's extremely mobile (even more than Rhino/Razors), and while it's a big hit it's still not as bad as a Landraider (plus it sits in the dust-covered FA slot, not the heavily-contested Heavy Support section).

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