
I'm holding in my hand some of the 'new' Citadel finecast miniatures, and they're just as meh as expected.
They're basically the exact same metal models we all loved to hate, but in a lighter, brittler material.
As you can all clearly see, the 'hip' thing is collectible clamshell packaging, much like what certain other companies do.
"So what're the models like?" Complete clones of the metals they're replacing, but on little sprues. If you've ever bought a forgeworld kit, you know the deal.
Lots of flash, lots of 'bonus' resin, sometimes tiny bubbles, the worst smell ever, and sprues that aren't always fully formed (the sprue itself, not the components on it).
That's all expected, however. What's not expected is the lack of mould release. Yes, you can actually handle finecast without scrubbing. Likely, GW got some very cheap labor to pre-scrub before boxing.

Lord DRAIGO, master of manliness.
Sprue, base, loose arm. No release agent, same funky smell as other resin, flash everywhere, and in general, greatly beyond forgeworld's capabilities. Hmm, it's almost like GW took a hint from privateer press, but used their far superior and larger operation to improve on things.
After some cutting and filing, I can conclude that this is absolutely nothing like the junk forgeworld uses (won't create tons of lethal dust), but you should still sit in a ventilated area when you work with it. Quality-wise, it's closer to warmahordes resin, but not as fragile.

As for details, and the claim that this magical resin holds them better. Eh, it's the same thing you bought in metal. Virtually identical, if not identical for real. New moulds might eventually be better, but old metals cast in resin aren't gonna look any worse or better than their heavier counterparts, as the pics above prove.
Main drawback: if you drop a metal model, the paint chips. You drop a resin model, it's gonna shatter or snap.
That's really all there's to it. Oh, and the insane price.
Edit: judging from the mass return of bad casts, the Draigo above is more an exception than the norm. Large majority of models are nowhere near this uhmmm, 'completely' cast, and even my Draigo had excessive flash all over, as you can clearly see.
If I had to pick, I'd go ebay for a metal version of whatever model you're looking for. This 'new and awesome' resin ranges from meh to terrible.
soylent · 722 weeks ago
VT2 79p · 722 weeks ago
Gregory K · 722 weeks ago
So, exactly what's gonna be the retail price for this lad?
VT2 79p · 722 weeks ago
Metal Draigo was 160, for comparison - which was already a joke.
Mattias · 722 weeks ago
And in English:
Jesus Christ you're joking?
John · 722 weeks ago
in english:
just be happy that you live in a country with stable economy ^_^
VT2 79p · 722 weeks ago
Dom ska tydligen vara direct-only också, men vi får se. Alla butiker borde få in i alla fal en sändning innan det händer.
Mattias · 722 weeks ago
English:
Swedish pricing is retarded, I'm happy we've got maelstrom and wayland. Saves at least 33% per purchase.
I understand why people are so miffed about GW's new "rules". Let's hope it's illegal.
John · 722 weeks ago
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VT2 79p · 722 weeks ago
Just that the parts are on a sprue.
Carl · 722 weeks ago
maddoc · 722 weeks ago
LEGION3000 · 722 weeks ago
For the record I started with metal models and I prefer them to resin with a passion. Just wait till the first time someone drops their drago on his sword and it snaps off RIGHT ACROSS THE BLADE instead of at the joint like a metal one would. This is because the super glue you are using is actually structurally stronger than the resin.
Kepora · 722 weeks ago
Sethis · 722 weeks ago
Eventually they'll hit ebay and we can see how paint strippers work on them, and absolutely nothing else will change. Shrug.
Chris · 722 weeks ago
Looking forward to seeing what new sculpts are like in the future.
@bryce963 · 722 weeks ago
Another concern about the new resin that I have, if it's like the warmahordes stuff, it can melt.
I was asking a few of the warmachine guys last year about the game at BoLS/Wargames Con. They warned me that the new resin warjacks were awesome (they can be made into 1 of 3 different ones and are pose-able), but that they can melt if left in your trunk on a Texas summer day.
LEGION3000 · 722 weeks ago
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@bryce963 · 722 weeks ago
Even with the fact that this kind of sucks, the warmahordes resin is actually quite nice I've found so far. But, their models are usually chunkier than GW stuff and I've not dropped any yet.
Kirby 118p · 722 weeks ago
MadPersian 37p · 722 weeks ago
Overall though, I am not too happy about this change. I've dealt with a few Forge World pieces and all my experiences with them have been negative due to excessive bubbles in the models and a much higher time commitment to getting the models ready for painting compared to plastic or metal.
Old School · 722 weeks ago
I for one am happy for the switch for the easy conversions, but unhappy that some things are going to break a little easier and might melt - but I will get over that for the bonuses. What I don't like is the price hike when the reason they were getting out of metal was due to the cost and often their company line for increased blister prices was the world wide cost of metal.
Kepora · 722 weeks ago
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VT2 79p · 722 weeks ago
If you drop these, you're gonna have to repair the parts before you put the model back together. It's not like plastic or metal, at all.
Lyracian 59p · 722 weeks ago
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Kepora · 722 weeks ago
Old Shatter Hands · 722 weeks ago
I don't think resin will solve the issue of mold lines and air bubbles. Considering that you're going to pay a premium for these figures, never hesitate to call GW customer service if you get models with any bubbles or imperfections to demand a replacement.
Another piece of advice, be careful how you handle these models. That sword on Draigo has it's days numbered...
Despite my rather negative response here, I am glad for the switch. Metal's cons far outweigh any of the disadvantages of resin models.
Marshal_Wilhelm 71p · 722 weeks ago
But perhaps they have reached the ceiling for current technology in crisp plastic edges?
Metal isn't good, but is resin+price increase actually much better?
Its like petrol-electirc cars, yeah they burn less fuel, but the battery pollution is immense and so the net-gain for not polluting is much less than the reduction in petrol consumption would have you believe.
@Segmentumsolar · 722 weeks ago
ys, it looks like the old plastic one that GW used 10 years ago
Kepora · 722 weeks ago
CrusherJoe 2p · 722 weeks ago
I just think it's funny that Draigo's title in German is "Hochmeister". Is that juvenile?
Bloodknight · 722 weeks ago
VT2 79p · 722 weeks ago
Glue doesn't stick properly to it, dropping the shield put a chip in the point, details are all studded with little bits of excess resin, and the slots that you'd normally rely on to fit pieces properly are horribly overfilled, so have to be carefully carved into shape. Material's so soft and brittle, it offers no resistance. Unless you've got blade mastery on par with a jedi, you WILL ruin parts of the model.
If this is how 'finecast' is gonna be, GW just signed its own death warrant.
@oldgrue · 722 weeks ago
CrusherJoe 2p · 722 weeks ago
....not I.
Autarch79 · 722 weeks ago
I'm going to reserve comment until I have had my hands on a model and have had a chance to work on it. I'm sorry to hear that your experience is negative, though. I'm kind of looking forward to anything other than the beating that is metal models.
LEGION3000 · 722 weeks ago
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@MadeFromCorpses · 722 weeks ago
Also, if it IS the stuff they use over at Privateer Press, then I've bounced a heavy warjack halfway across a gaming hall and it survived intact. It was pinned on all the major joints, but less so than had it been metal. If it had been metal I'd've had a big pile of parts, but it just... bounced. I'm not saying that this stuff is like that, but I can hope.
Kepora · 722 weeks ago
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jasonwc 61p · 722 weeks ago
Don't forget those handy Chinese copies on ebay, if they're metal they're better. :)
Taaky · 722 weeks ago
jasonwc 61p · 722 weeks ago
Good advice for anything really.
@eddyindigo · 722 weeks ago
It's as though GW wants to make as much profit as possible from as small of a customer base as possible. I guess that's efficient
Mattias · 722 weeks ago
Kepora · 722 weeks ago
Fixed! :D
Guestivus · 722 weeks ago
Zjoekov 74p · 722 weeks ago
Trollings aside, I wont judge before seeing it myself. It's not like I really liked metal models, they dropped more often because of their weight and I don't like painting them either....
Maybe its just a matter of getting used to it, people are opposed to change in general, so I wouldn't pay too much attention to the 'moanings' of people at the moment. If people still complain in about 6 months then something might be wrong though ^^
I for one am pretty enthousiastic, I rarely drop models I don't want to drop and it's very annoying when metal models dont fit properly as that's much more of a bitch to make changes to. (yes I drop my plastic models relatively more often as I know I don't have to be carefull with them)
Kepora · 722 weeks ago
Dropped resin model: "Dang it! I'll just glue that bit back on after the game" or "One sec, lemmie straighten this sword"
Dropped metal model: "FUUUUUUCK! Now I need to get my drill and some paperclips and a file...where'd that gun go-DAMN IT I JUST GLUED THAT ARM ON!"
Don't even get me started on Broadsides.
Kepora · 722 weeks ago
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abortedsoul · 722 weeks ago
FROWNY FACE GW. MAJOR FROWNY FACE.
Your customers wouldn't be complaining about your shit all the time if you were doing it right.
-5 cool points for GW. Warmahordes is looking mighty delicious right about now.
Phoenix · 722 weeks ago
As for the resin itself - gonna wait until I actually work with it before passing judgement, but I suspect in the end it'll have as many pros and cons as metal does; just different ones.
nockergeek 43p · 722 weeks ago
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Kepora · 722 weeks ago
Guestivus · 722 weeks ago
I'm glad that you're sticking up for the sky not falling because of resin, but GW until recently didn't hold a candle to Rackham's better metal, for one example.
Taak · 722 weeks ago
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Lucius · 722 weeks ago
"Dust Mask
The resin that we use has no inherent health risks, but we do recommend a dust mask if you are filing or sanding – as with any fine substance, resin dust can be an irritant."
(http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/R/resintips.pdf)
Although it is still not to be taken lightly, it still sounds better than all those rumors about toxicity (although those can be blamed on FW - they should've put a guide/statement/FAQ about their resin online when they started the company).
VT2 79p · 722 weeks ago
Always wear a mask, always work in a ventilated area, and take breaks. Resin is like aluminum dust. It's very dangerous to your lungs.
Pauli · 722 weeks ago
The disposable white ones are labelled as unsuitable for such use.
Marshal_Wilhelm 71p · 722 weeks ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respirator
We used p3 for when we worked with fibreglass. Which takes out 99.95% of airborne particles.
If you buy el cheapo ones, you might well pay the cost later in life.... just sayin'
Lucius · 722 weeks ago
Anyways, you guys are right of course - better safe than sorry.
Marshal_Wilhelm 71p · 722 weeks ago
Then when you see GW's Southern Hemisphere pricing, the price increase for finecaste over metals, etc. it shows that GW is not some warm fuzzy company, just because their product is meant to be enjoyed in a warm social setting.
As you say, better to be protected against no threat than to not be protected against a threat.
:)
Antebellum · 721 weeks ago
Oh wait ... I'm not Kepora. Sorry. He didn't reply to this one and I thought it was weird without someone sticking up for resin.
I for one am not buying any GW for at least the month of June, if not longer.
Kepora · 722 weeks ago
Kirby 118p · 722 weeks ago
My gardening is great lately.
Marshal_Wilhelm 71p · 722 weeks ago
winter 30p · 722 weeks ago
Based off Forge Worlds crappy resin.... no, I'd take metal any damn day of the week.
eriochrome · 722 weeks ago
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