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Thursday, November 11, 2010

Email in: BA dual raven list?

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"Hello sir,

Do you think a dual raven list with th/ss termies inside could work? Here is a 1750 points list that I came up with, but I'd appreciate your input on it. I also attached a pic of one of my sanguinary priests. I'm painting the army as flesh tearers.

Librarian with Unleash Rage, shield of sanguinius

10 th/ss termies
2 Sanguinary Priests
Furioso Dreadnought with magna grapple and extra armour

10 Assault Marines without jump packs
Rhino
10 Assault Marines without jump packs
Rhino

Storm Raven with TL-multi-melta, TL-plasma cannon, extra armour
Storm Raven with TL-multi-melta, TL-plasma cannon, extra armour
Dreadnought with Multi-melta

Thx,
Aleks"

First off, sweet looking Priest ^^. In regards to the list, it's pretty decent for what you're asking but I just don't think Dual ravens (like dual Raiders) works at anything below 2000 and even then I think it's hard to make a solid list. What ends up happening is you have 4 targets essentially on the table and those targets are a max of AV12 (even if melta doesn't get the bonus pen die). Not too hard for an opponent to bust that formation up. I think if you're set on using the Ravens ASM should come down in Pods (maybe 3x5 ASM w/meltagun, Infernous, Pod) and grab some speeders to help with armor saturation.

The Furioso needs to lose some upgrades as well such as EA and maybe don't run all of the Terminators as TH/SS. 6 TH/SS and 4 LClaws should be sufficient (or 5 and 5) and then you can gain the Furious Charge advantage. Again, it won't be the most competitive of lists because it's very vulnerable to being stopped early. If your opponent knocks even one Raven out of the sky you're not going to be happy and if they drop obht on T1, well you'll be very, very unhappy.

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Kris · 754 weeks ago

What about not bothering with the Dread-carrying capability of the Ravens? I mean, AV12 skimmer transports are good enough, and not worrying about having to have the Dreads in there too frees up points and helps reduce the all-in-one-basket feeling.

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Kirby 118p · 754 weeks ago

Better to go with a different lsit then. With ravens you want to take advantage of being able to throw as much at your opponent as possible but that obviously leads to egg-basket syndrome so you need to be able to fill out the FoC around them. This generally requires points that you don't have at 1750. A stormraven delivering termies by itself is scary but what are you going to support it with? You can't use Rifle Dreads or Preds as the Ravens are taking up your HS which leaves you with typhoons, ASM, SG (which you don't need), Furiosos, Tacs, Sternguard, etc. In BA only Typhoons are really good fire support due to the premium you pay on Rhinos (i.e. Tacs and Sternguard) and everything else is short-ranged.

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Kris · 754 weeks ago

Baals seem like decent fire support, though they don't really crack tanks. Drop podding sternguard might be possible, or ASM/Razorback spam.

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Aleksi Lehtiö · 754 weeks ago

Hi, thx for the reply Kirby. I was also thinking of just taking 3 storm ravens with th/ss termies inside. I could try the drop podding asm idea, and the speeders.

Anyway thx.

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Kirby 118p · 754 weeks ago

Np; I'd advise steering well away from 3 lol. If you didn't want to run 2 Terminator hammers you could always run a DC squad + Termies to try and save some points.

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abusepuppy 121p · 754 weeks ago

I think 1750 is definitely pushing the limit for double-SR; you're basically running a gimmick list, but if you're okay with that, I'd try something like:

1 Librarian (Unleash Rage, Blood Lance?)

5 Assault Terminators (2 TH/SS)

1 Sanguinary Priest

1 Furioso Dreadnought

10 Assault Marines (2 Meltagun)

5 Assault Marines (Meltagun)

9 Death Company (2 Power Weapon)
w/Lemartes

1 Death Company Dreadnought

1 Land Speeder (MM/HF)

1 Stormraven (MM, Lascannon)

1 Stormraven (MM, Lascannon)

Running a second Furioso would be preferable, but obviously we don't have space for that. We can go reserves or not with everything; the Land Speeder brings a small amount of extra AT and gives the guns another target. A case could also be made for putting Magna-Grapples on the Dreads instead, I haven't really tested the list at all. ASM can come in and support the rest of the list with guns or combined assaults, but you don't have a lot of them so you need to be careful. You definitely want Blood Lance as the primary Libby power, I'm torn on the secondary; Shield seems a bit unnecessary, but it's so good I'm tempted. Unleash makes the Termies extra-deadly (rerolls for everything!), Sword would help against characters and big monsters. Lemartes turns the DC from laughingstock into killing machine, albeit at a large price. However, he can't be picked out and once you take a wound he spits out seven I7 S5 power weapon attacks on the charge and with tons of rerolls his buddies tend to inflict horrific damage. You WILL need to multi-charge things to avoid wiping them out immediately- the "normal" guys average seven wounds against MEQs, plus six more from the PWs; you can reasonably charge two squads of Tacticals and have a chance of wiping them out. PFist might be preferrable for the DC, but I5 is such a huge benefit it's hard to say without some testing.

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Aleksi Lehtiö · 753 weeks ago

Thx abusepuppy. I think I'll give your list a try too, although I'm not sure on the speeder. Thx for all the comments guys.

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Error. · 753 weeks ago

Two Ravens?

Libby with termy armour and storm shield 145pts

5 assault termies 4th/ss and 1 pair of lightning claws. 220pts
5 assault termies 4th/ss and 1 pair of lightning claws. 220pts

5 assault marines with Lascannon razorback 155pts
5 assault marines with Lascannon razorback 155pts

Baal predator with assault cannon turret heavy bolter sponsons 145pts
Baal predator with assault cannon turret heavy bolter sponsons 145pts

Stormraven with twinlinked multimelta and twinlinked Assault Cannon , extra armour. 215pts
Stormraven with twinlinked multimelta and twinlinked Assault Cannon , extra armour. 215pts
Auto/Las Predator. 135pts

1750pts

Needs some fine tunning. but could work.

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Enlargingcloud · 668 weeks ago

This is a hypothetical list, I've never used it, and I don't play as bloodravens, though I think this would be quite effective (I have fought dual BA stormravens before however). This is an adjusted version of Error's list bellow.

HQ:
Librarian. 100pts
Elites: 440
5 assault termies 4th/ss and 1 pair of lightning claws. 220pts
5 assault termies 4th/ss and 1 pair of lightning claws. 220pts
Troops: 465
5 assault marines with Lascannon/plasma razorback 155pts
5 assault marines with Lascannon/plasma razorback 155pts
5 assault marines with TL-Lascannon razorback 155pts
Fast Attack: 315pts
2 Attack BIkes, 2 multi-meltas. 100pts
2 Attack Bikes, 2 multi-meltas. 100pts
Ball Predator with TL-assault cannon. 115pts
Heavy Support: 430
Stormraven with twinlinked multimelta and twinlinked Plasma Cannon , extra armour. 215pts
Stormraven with twinlinked multimelta and twinlinked Plasma Cannon , extra armour. 215pts
-1750