"Hi Kirby
I’m a long time reader of 3++. I currently play raven-guard quiet fluffy with shrike and lots of scouts but I’ve had an itch for a while to do a biker army.
I’m staying with raven guard as I’ve already got 10 or so bikers and can’t afford to completely start from scratch. Also I’m looking forward to modelling a raven guard counts as Khan and his command squad I’m going to use the Forge world upgrade pack, command squad pack some extra storm shields from the Assault terminators and get the Ravenwing box set for the 6 bikes . I was hoping to get some feedback on a list before I sink cash into the models.
Here’s what I’ve got so far
Khan w/Moondraken
Command squad, bikes, company champion, melta gun, lighting claw, 3 x storm shield
Bike Squad, 4X bikes, 1 x attack bike mm, 1 x melta gun, pwr fist
Bike Squad, 4X bikes, 1 x attack bike, 1 x plasma gun, pwr sword
Tactical squad flamer hvy bolter, Rhino extra armour
Tactical squad melta gun multi-melta Rhino extra armour
Assault Terminators, Land Raider redeemer, MM
Vindicator, siege shield, extra armour
1940 so i have a few points left over for upgrades
Tactically I plan to start the rhino’s flanking the vindicator in the centre and push the bikes up one flank and have the landraider and khan + command squad come in by outflanking.
Can this be made to work or do I need a rethink. The other thing I’ve considered is adding a counts as Tigerius and outflanking everything with the tiggy re rolls for reserves hopefully stopping me from getting eaten piece meal
Any help or suggestions gratefully received
Kind regards
Joe "
Hey Joe, unfortunately I think the list needs a serious re-think. Bikers and Terminators can work as a potential list though I'm not a huge fan. If you're looking at having the Command squad as well, well the Terminators aren't really an option. I'm going to assume you don't want to do a pure Biker army? If not we can try and aim for a Hybrid Biker list which uses some tanks and have a single command squad with Khan and a Libby (or MotF) bu the issue atm is you've only got 4 tanks. The Tacticals aren't adding anything and the Bikers as Troops are much better with better anti-infantry, defenses, mobility, special weapons, etc. whilst the Vindicator is a bad idea when you've got a bunch of models heading towards the enemy (i.e. Bikes and in particular the Command Squad).
So what we would want to look at is adding some more Bikes (maybe 3x8 squads or 4x smaller squads), Dreads (you can get cheap AoBR ones) and Speeders (which you get with the Ravenwing boxed set) and potentially adding some things in as Heavy Support. Depending on your budget we could create some Devastators out of your Tactical Marines and give them Razorback transports for more firepower or if running a MotF we can add more Dreads.
Anyway there are some options so if you give me a clearer indication of what you want I can work with it from there. Khan is generally best taken for his furious charge and hit and run on the Command Squad rather than outflank as outflanking can be so unreliable and SM don't really have good cheap outflanking units (say like Wolf Scouts) to take advantage of it.
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Joe · 750 weeks ago
I have a reasonable collection about 3500 points of ravenguard. Kayven Shrike,Command squad champion company banner flamer pwr fist,Drop pod with deathwind launcher,Chaplain jump Pack,Librarian term armour storm bolter, 3 X Tac squad, Scouts 10 men 6 X sniper 2 x bolter heavy bolter telion, Scouts pwr fist 3 X shotgun 1x cc, Legion of the damned 8 men flamer MM pwr weopon,Venerable Dreadnaught mm ccw storm bolter,Iron clad dread 2 x Hvy flamer, Sternguard 6 men hvy flamer Assault squad 10 man pwr fist plas pist flamer,Land speeder storm multi melta, Land speeder tornado MM Hvy flamer, Bike Squad 4 X bikes 1 x attack bike meltagun plas gun pwr weopon, Bike Squad 6 X Bikes power fist, devastators 5 men 1 x las cannon 2 X missle launcher, devastators 5 men 2 X Heavy Bolter 2 X plasma cannon,Vindicator siege shield,Whirlwind
Joe · 750 weeks ago
Whats the minimum amount of bikes ill need to make it viable and what would you use in the interim
Kirby 118p · 750 weeks ago
Khan; Command Squad, some Bike squads and perhaps a couple small scout squads for objectives and MLs backed up by Speeders and Devs w/Razorbacks. Not ideal but workable and looks like you have the pieces to get something close to that outside of the Devs. I'm going to assume you have ML Marines from the Tacticals?
Joe · 750 weeks ago
Would this be better
Korsova Khan moondraken
Command squad bikes company champion melta gun lighting claw 3 x storm shield
Bike Squad 4X bikes 1 x attack bike mm 1 x melta gun pwr fist
Bike Squad 4X bikes 1 x attack bike 1 x plasma gun pwr fist
Scout squad 6 X sniper heavy bolter telion
Scout squad pwr fist 3 X shotgun 1x cc
Iron clad dreadnaught
Drop pod death wind launcher
Land speeder stormmulti melta
Land speeder hvy flamermulti melta
Land speeder storm Typhoon
Dev 2 x missile launcher 2 x las cannon rhino
Dev 2Xplama cannon 2 x hvy bolter rhino
The dread was a bit of an after though if i can sort out some r/back turrets i'll drop it for them and maybe the sternguard in a R/back
Kirby 118p · 750 weeks ago
With converting Razorbacks, plasticard and heavy weapons + magnets = the cheapest way I know. I need to make some more when over the holidays so I will see if I can do a tutorial. Basically I get two concentric circles of plasticard, build a turrent box and hang the weapons from the top of the box.
Joe · 750 weeks ago
I'll keep an eye out for the tutorial.
Adding Hvy flamer isn't a problem My son plays Tau and I've found with a bit chopping and some green sturff you can make a good hvy famer out of the fusion blasters