"Hi again Kirby (or whoever it may be). I’m a convert on the use of LasPlas Razorbacks but am torn on how many to squeeze into the list. I also would like your views on TLAC TLLC dreadnoughts verses 2 x TLAC. I know the Rifledread is superior at AV10, but it is only marginally better at AV11 (due to the cost difference) and behind at AV12/13/14. Do you think it is worth the points to add some higher strength shots? I also previously used Dakka Preds, but in my limited experience I never seem to get much use out of their Heavy Bolters and so am toyingwith the idea of just using plain Preds.
List #1 – 1495
My first list is trying to accommodate 4 LasPlas Razorbacks, giving me 4 mobile scoring units. In both lists the Librarian will travel with a squad in a razorback with a dozer blade.
HQ
Librarian, Null-Zone and Avenger – 100
Troops
5-man Tac squads, Melta Bombs, LasPlas Razorback with Dozer Blade – 175
5-man Tac squads, Melta Bombs, LasPlas Razorback with Dozer Blade – 175
5-man Tac squads, Melta Bombs, LasPlas Razorback – 170
5-man Tac squads, Melta Bombs, LasPlas Razorback – 170
Elite
Dreadnought, TLAC, TLAC – 125
Dreadnought, TLAC, TLAC – 125
Dreadnought, TLAC, TLAC – 125
Heavy
Predator, AC – 60
Predator, AC – 60
Fast
Land Speeder, HF, MM – 70
Land Speeder, HF, MM – 70
Land Speeder, HF, MM – 70
List #2 – 1500
This list removes 1 LasPlas Squad, swaps in a TLLC on the dreads, adds a third Predator and a fourth Land Speeder
HQ
Librarian, Null-Zone and Avenger – 100
Troops
5-man Tac squads, LasPlas Razorback with Dozer Blade – 170
5-man Tac squads, LasPlas Razorback with Dozer Blade – 170
5-man Tac squads, LasPlas Razorback – 165
Elite
Dreadnought, TLAC, TLLC – 145
Dreadnought, TLAC, TLLC – 145
Dreadnought, TLAC, TLLC – 145
Heavy
Predator, AC – 60
Predator, AC – 60
Predator, AC – 60
Fast
Land Speeder, HF, MM – 70
Land Speeder, HF, MM – 70
2 x Land Speeder, HF, MM – 140
Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated.
XionXxen"
Your first list is better but I'd drop a Speeder to get the heavy bolter upgrades on the Predators and replace the meltabombs on the Tactical squads (and Dozer Blades if you need the points) with combi-weapons. I'll explain why :P. For an extra 25 points on the Predators getting 6 shots is too good to pass up. It's an 85 point vehicle with AV13/11/10 and 8 S5+ shots at BS4. Compare this to a 60 point vehicle with only 2 shots. Sure those shots aren't going to do much against vehicles except AV10 but that's not what they are there for. Being able to put 8 shots into infantry units or MCs which can reliably generate wounds is great to have and it can if you need to, poke at tanks. For 85 points they are a steal whilst 60 point Preds, whilst cheap, aren't so flash.
Regarding 2xTLAC compared to TLAC/TLLC it comes down to expense. Whilst the TLLC/TLAC might be better at higher AVs due to the TLLC, it's a fair bit more expensive and loses you reliability against lower AVs. Having issues with higher AV? Take true anti-tank like meltaguns or MM (hence the combi-weapons) rather than mildly higher strength guns. If you start taking TLLC/TLAC those Predators actually need to start hurting lower AV tanks which is asking a lot of them. Since you already have 4 lascannons from LasPlas RBacks as well, the Rifledreads w/2x TLAC are just the way to go.
