Last weekend, I had the pleasure of playing in a doubles tournament at Valhalla's game center, a local store with a hell of a back room. If you live in Colorado and haven't checked out Valhalla's, you really should, they have an enourmous play space and a truly absurd amount of terrain.
I went to the tourney with my friend Ted, an imperial guard player. I took my SM army, and in the weeks prior to the event we worked out a 2-army thunderbubble list, which you can see below. There was also a sort of side competition to write up a fluff story to explain why your armies are playing together, my submission is the pic at the top of this article. I also printed out a purity seal and attached it to the lower right, it really brought the piece to life. I won the fluff contest in a landslide. =)
Anyway, on to the list. The rules were as follows:
Each player must take one HQ and at least one troops choice.
Both players armies must fit into a SINGLE FOC.
Abilities do not work for your allies army.
1250 per player.
It's an excellent format and one I fully endorse for doubles tournies, it really meant that broken combinations were not a concern, it was good play that would win the day.
What I didn't like, however, was the fact that the tournament would use battlepoints. I don't really see an alternative, however, especially since a massive 36 teams showed up to the thing. Playing 3 2500 point games in a day is draining enough! Scenarios were posted beforehand, and you can really see their influence on our list.
After 3 weeks of play-testing, this was our final list:
HQ
CCS
+2x Plasma Guns
+2x Meltaguns
+Chimera (ML/HF)
Troops
PCS
+4x Flamer
+Chimera (ML/HF)
Infantry Squad
+Power Weapon
Infantry Squad
+Power Weapon
Infantry Squad
+Power Weapon
Infantry Squad
+Power Weapon
+Commissar
+Power Weapon
Heavy Weapon Team
+3x Autocannon
Heavy Weapon Team
+3x Autocannon
Veterans Squad
+3x Meltaguns
+Chimera
Heavy Support
Leman Russ Demolisher (HF)
+Plasma Cannons
Leman Russ Main Battle Tank (HF)
+Plasma Cannons
HQ
Librarian (Null Zone, The Gate of Infinity)
+Terminator Armor with SS
Elites
Assault Terminators
+5 Men
+10 TH/SS
Dreadnought
+2x Twin-Linked Autocannons
Dreadnought
+Twin-Linked Autocannon
+Multi-Melta
Troops
Tactical Marine Squad
+Rhino
Scout Squad
+Missile Launcher
+Sergeant Telion
+Sniper Rifles
Fast Attack
Land Speeder
+Multi-Melta
+Heavy Flamer
Land Speeder
+Multi-Melta
+Heavy Flamer
Land Speeder
+Multi-Melta
+Heavy Flamer
It was built to basically steamroller to the center of the board and hold it, weakening the enemy before they could hit our melee stuff and making combat easy. It worked extremely well in our practice game, and we named it "the bag of hammers". Basically, this list is like throwing a hammer. And then another one. And another. You just don't stop throwing hammers, really. The Marines basically provided support to the Guard by blocking with speeders and taking out tough mechanized threats, the Termies were there to smash into the biggest, baddest melee threat on the table and murder it, and the one lone tactical squad was there purely to score objectives. (2/3 missions) The guard blob was to back up the termies and maintain melee control, the russes to damage enemy infantry. All in all, it plays best on a table with lots of area terrain and no big LOS blockers in the middle. After three weeks of tweaking, we were both very happy with it and ready to go.
Oh, and I took Telion because I just painted him, I like him, and I've played marines for so long that I must take novel choices or die of boredom.
On to the tourney!
We arrived early, because that is what we do, which gave us a good opportunity to look at the tables.
Oh, SHI-
There were 18 tables set up, and VERY few of them had anything resembling area terrain. I mean, they were all beautiful, themed arenas, but they were almost exclusively filled with LOS blocking terrain, many of which were quite large. Most egregious was table 9, which was home to no less than seven 6"x12" two-story buildings, with windows only on the second story. It looked positively claustrophobic.
Well, this was going to make things harder, and we really just hoped it would hurt everyone. Actually, let's take a minute to talk about terrain in a tourney, shall we?
You need to have a mix of terrain at a tournament. This is not a debatable thing, it needs to happen. Ideally, you want 25% coverage of every table, with a rough 40% area, 40% regular, and 20% impassible. This is important because each terrain piece changes the battlefield in different ways:
- Area terrain is infantry's loverfriend. Without it, the game is even MORE tank heavy than it currently is. Imagine if you had to deploy whatever infantry-manned heavy weapons you brought in the open... oh god. (poor, poor HWT)
- Regular terrain (What I call "setpiece" or "LOS blocking" terrain) means that you can't just shoot from one end of the field to the other, all the time. This is important because it makes it easier for transports to move up, and means that the field is composed of several different areas of fire, and not just one big one.
- Impassible because it means your midfield movement is important, and further subdivides the battlefield.
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GAME 1
There was random paring for the first round, and comparative pairing after that, so we crossed out fingers for an easy opponent. We were pretty happy when it turned out we were fighting foot guard and Necrons.
Unfortunately, our table was not so great. We were fighting on table with 0 area terrain, one half of the board had big sharp-sided hills, the other was a raised slope, and the middle was a truely massive facility that blocked LoS to the majority of the field. It was a big block with a walkway attached to it, and the walkway was so large and bulky that not even an elevated Leman Russ could see over it to shoot at the other side.
Our opponets lists were simple: Guard with some individual foot squads, a command squad, a vet squad, (all with plasma and sutocannon when available) a Vendetta, two LRMBT's and an Executioner. Necrons brought 4 heavy destroyers, 35 warriors in two squads, 10 immortals and a lord.
The scenario was decent: 6 objectives, you can't score your second unless your ally also controls at least one, though all nonvehicle units are scoring. 1 more than the opponent to win, 2 for major, 3 for massacre. We took the side of the field with the raised plateu hills, foolishly thinking we would deny them what little cover was on the field. We should have taken the raised side, we really underestimated the height of the damn walkway. Deployment was lengthwise, something I'm never a fan of in 40k.
We were going first, so we set up to deliver some crushing firepower turn one, and cover the two firelanes available to us, to limit their deployment. They deployed okay, and would have been really hurt by our first turn, if they hadn't seized the initiative.
Dammit.
We took a brutal first turn of fire. Actually, we took a brutal every turn of fire; the opponent's dice could do no wrong. We lost the demolisher (immobilized+weapon destroyed) to a single shot of a Leman Russ' Battle Cannon +it's lascannon hull mount, while it was smoked. We lost every vehicle they glanced at, and by the end of turn 3 we were looking to be fully demeched.
At least the building was good for one thing, in that it allowed the terminators an unmolested advance. We had agreed that you could climb the walkway, and the objective that basically the entire enemy army was sitting on was just on the other side. My undamaged termies were set to charge all of the Necrons, as well as the platoon command squad+platoon. How beautiful.
Unfortunately, (though it was ultimately irrelivent) that charge never got to happen. Our opponents were both relatively new to the game, and they had taken an enormous time on their turns. With 20 minutes left, we had to decide not to start a turn 4. Despite losing our support, we were still positioned well, and we took 4 of the objectives, while contesting the center with the terminators. That meant that the game ended in a massacre, though we didn't qualify for any of the battle point modifiers.
It may seem like a gift, but remember that the terminators were undamaged, and about to wipe out more than half the army. Had the game gone on, I'm pretty confidant that we would have shattered them in turns 4-5. If it had gone to 7, we could have tabled them. Ah well, it sucks to have to end early.
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GAME 2
Ah, game 2. We were put up against a friend actually, and we had even playtested our lists against each other the week prior! It was SW and Orks. SW brought support in 2 speeders, 3 long fangs (2x2 ML 2Las, and one 2plasma cannon 2 heavy bolter) a rune priest and 2 10 man assault squads of Grey hunters. Orks brought 2 10 man nob squads in trukks, with a warboss, a loota squad and some boys in a trukk. All in all, we weren't terribly scared of it, especially since we had rolled it days earlier.
Our second table was almost as bad as the first. Lunar themed, there were a TON of small hills, and a collection of black buildings int he center, which, you guessed it, blocked LOS. Again, 0 area terrain.
The mission was a modified "sieze ground" with an objective in both deployment zones. However, there was also a center objective that you had to hold before you could score any others! A minor was just holding the center, major was center+1, and massacre was holding all the objectives. Deployment was Dawn of War, but instead of HQ+2 troops, it was 3 units of any type. We rolled first, and deployed on the left side of the field with the autocannons in the back, and the libbies with terminators on the center line. (After all, they could always gate back.) By doing this, we effectively forced them to fight for the left side, or let the terminators sweep their flank. They deployed their nobs on the left side in a trukk with the boss, and the plasma cannon squad of long fangs. I'm just now realizing that was illegal. Dammit, Biscuit! Get on your game!
First turn we moved everything on, preparing for a doozy of a fight in the tiny left half of the field. The terminators got charged by the nobs and... died. Just... dead. They killed like 2. It was truly atrocious. They went on to sweep the PCS, the HWT's, the veterans, a dreadnought, and both Russes, before FINALLY succumbing to our massed fire. Our fire was totally ineffective against the might of a 5+ cybork save.
All was not lost, however. Clever blocking by speeders meant that the second nob squad was gunned down along with the boys, and the only thing they had in position to score the center on turn 5 was one squad of grey hunters. We had 30 men left in our platoon to take it. Even better, a dreadnought was hidden over there, and could easily assault the boys to drag them off the objective and into combat. The scouts had survived and could claim the home objective. There was nothing stopping us.
Except for time. Did I mention they didn't really give time warnings? This was pretty relevant here, when we ran out of time on the bottom of 4, ready to effect our coup but unable to. So we got a major loss instead of a major victory.
I'm apparently still upset about this, because I just typed about 50 swear words and then deleted them. AAAARRRGGGG! PLAY FASTER PEOPLE!
Well, the pressure to place first was well off, so we decided to just go crazy next game and make the most high risk/reward moves possible all game.
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GAME 3
Finally, game 3. This was simple kill points: 7 more than the opponent for a massacre, 4-6 for major, and 1-3 for minor.
Awesome! We got our table assignment.
TABLE
FUCKING
NINE
Yeah, the one I talked about the the top, with all the big buildings. It turns out the roofs come off, and they have a door on each end, so we just played them as multi-level terrain. It was, without a doubt, the worst terrain of any 40k game I've ever played, and I've played tons of games with just textbooks for terrain.
Okay, opponents. Whadda we got?
Tau+Tyranids. The tau is 3 squads of battlesuits, a railhead, a full broadside team, and 10 fire warriors on foot. Nids is 3 tervigons, gaunts, deathleaper, a harpy, and a tyrannofex.
We deploy like men with unlimited sized balls, in maximum damage position, ready to pop out of buildings and rain death. We were ready to rock.
The nids were, for some reason, all on the left side of the table, while the tau was on the right. I put the terminators on the left, and prepared for glory. Everything else was scattered about, ready to engage their individual targets.
I just want to share two things about this game:
- If you think "jump shoot jump" is dead, you have clearly never played on table 9.
- If a unit fails hard, it can make up for it in one moment of pure, awesome glory.
They basically just charged the nids. No plan, no complex manuvering, only the barest amount of covering fire. They chose the charge lane where every enemy on the board could shoot them, because that is what men do. When they finally got into combat, there were only 5 left (and the librarian) They got charged by 25 Termigaunts with adrenal glands and toxin sacs. Wiped them while only losing the librarian and 1 terminator. (Sucker was far in front, so 80% of the attacking unit ended up having to allocate to him, a neat trick I should write about sometime.) Then they charged another 5 gaunts (in two squads) that were blocking the juicy stuff. Apparently my terminators know how to work a bell curve, because they killed only two, apparently tactically missing their hammerswings, which meant I was left in combat with... 1 gaunt. No enemy shooting!
Wiped them out in the enemy assault phase, and suddenly... I was on the enemy doorstep. The crisis suits had been forced back, and were right there. I was in the thick of it!
Readers, if I play 40k till the day I die, I doubt I will ever see a multicharge as beautiful as this one. I got all three undamaged squads of crisis suits, and a tervigon with 4 terminators. I was a god. I was living the impossible dream. And I stomped those motherfuckers flat. They didn't even hurt me, and I wound up wiping out the remaining 2 tervigons with my termies after that. I won't lie, it made the whole day worth it.
We won a major victory, if we had played a bit better (read: hid damaged units instead of SUICIDE CHARGE) we would have massacred easy.
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Results
Finally, it was results time! We knew we hadn't placed high enough for a prize, (knew that as soon as round 2 ended) but I stuck around afterward to find out we placed 10/36. Not bad, and we could have gotten higher with minimal effort in the final round. I'm content calling it a tournament well played. Though I admit, I would have loved the $200+ dollars in merch that first place netted.
As a final note, I'd like to mention how well the event was run. Staff was always on hand to answer questions, and despite my gripes about terrain and time stuff, it was really a spectacularly well run event. Honestly, I feel blessed to even have a store nearby that can host a tournament with 72 people in attendance. So big shout out to the Valhalla's people, and I'll definitely be going (read: WINNING) next time. God, I love this game! =D
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SageoftheTimes 77p · 742 weeks ago
Also, with proper use of JSJ, they would have floored your army; you're lucky you didn't get Orks + Tau.
sirbiscuit 81p · 742 weeks ago
JSJ would have been more effective if they had deployed differently, but we still would have killed it the same way: by forcing 2 melee threats down each flank.
Joe · 742 weeks ago
That's not even 25% coverage..
Also about time - chess clocks or something? But also like in MtG oftem people speed up to try and rush you into making mistakes. They're ususally the 'no takebacks' crowd. Its 40k not speed chess and not mtg.
sirbiscuit 81p · 742 weeks ago
Really, there just needs to be a big round timer that everyone can see. Hang up a poster and update it, even. That way, you can really show people that they need to play faster. It shouldn't be that big of a deal, and people just need to know how fast time goes before they're down to 10-20 minutes left.
ombres13 · 742 weeks ago
However, you complain about running out of time. Unless you aren't sure of when the time is supposed to start (I doubt this), it is 100% your fault for running out of time. Why screw yourself by not preparing correctly? You said you play tested your list for weeks. Members of this board are anal about every minute detail when it comes to competitive play (which is why I follow daily). You screwed up.
Why didn't you have a timer? You don't own a watch or cell phone?
sirbiscuit 81p · 742 weeks ago
1.) It wasn't announced beforehand (or if it was, only a few people seemed to know, I asked several) how long each round would be. Not a problem after game one (it's 2.5 hours per game) but in the first round we only found out 20 minutes from the end time.
2.) When you're playing, it can be difficult to keep track of time. Personally, I spend every second of competitive play either examining all my options, or executing my plans. It doesn't take long to pull out a phone, but it's not something you really think about when you're about to be smashed by tanks on the flank.
3.) Most importantly, there's nothing you can do if your opponents play slowly. In our first round, my teammate and I took 15 minute turns, our enemies took more like 45. They weren't trying to play slow, they were simply newer and had to be reminded of the rules, and took a long time to consider each option.
I wish there were a graceful way to ask your opponent to speed up their play, but there really isn't. We kept telling our round 1 opponents that they needed to hurry up and play faster, and that we were going to run out of time. But really, there's just much less of a sense of urgency when I say it compared to when an organizer announces, say, the halfway point. Even if you try to help them by telling them the obviously correct thing to do in a situation, you just slow the game down more, because your opponents think you're trying to trick them and they once again go over every option in their heads.
Remember, these are effectively 2500 point games as well. That means you have to be well organized enough to do all your moving, shooting, and assaulting in 15 minutes per turn if you want to (barely) complete turn 5. That usually isn't a problem if you have a lot of experience with the game, but for newer players it's just about impossible.
Take our round 2 opponents, for example. They knew the game decently, but there was one major hiccup. The Ork player had 2 full Nob squads, with each nob with a unique loadout. Obviously going for wound allocation, right? Wrong. He had no idea how wound allocation worked. I had to explain it to him multiple times, and he refused to let me help him with his wound assignments; he wanted to do it himself. In the end, we probably lost around 20 minutes because he didn't know that one rule, which meant there was no time for a turn 5. Remember, these games HAVE to end on time as well, because you need to turn in the score sheet so you can be paired in the next round. (And you end at the end of the last full game turn you think you can complete, NOT the player turn.)
I very much doubt I could have played faster in these games, and I was trying to put as much reasonable pressure on my opponents as I could to play fast, but the reality is you couldn't finish these games in time unless all 4 players were very on the ball. I heard as much after round one, where tables that hit turn 5 were in the minority, and most tables ended on turn 3 or 4. I don't think anyone had a game all tourney that went through 7.
This is getting long, so I won't go into what a tournament organizer can do to make sure time runs smoothly, but suffice to say that simple things like regular announcements and an official clock are very effective mental mechanisms that make people play faster. At tournaments, you can be perfect and fast and still not finish the game simply because it takes forever for your opponent to make simple tactical choices, or grasp complex unknown rules on the fly.
But yeah, getting a big digital clock to put on the table actually sounds like a great idea. I'll probably build a turn counter into one as well and start bringing it to tourneys. =)
tzeentchling 76p · 742 weeks ago
sirbiscuit 81p · 742 weeks ago
This was my first gaming at Valhalla's, I have gamed frequently at both Total Escape Games and Stonebridge however. Even played at Griffon Games a few times, with buddies in FoCo.
My email is sirbiscuit@gmail.com, if you ever want to get a game in send me a message. I play Menoth as well, if WM is your preference.
tzeentchling 76p · 742 weeks ago
Thalenchar · 742 weeks ago
New 3++ expression indicating you're playing on a table with terrain pieces totally messing up your tactics / game, forcing you to use your army in a way it was never planned to be used?
Nice report, I liked it. Always fun to read about other tournaments and how they are set up.
Max · 742 weeks ago