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Sunday, April 17, 2011

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"Hi Kirby,
James here, been a reader of your blog for a while and found it a great help! Anyway I'm starting a Dark Eldar army, but want it to be purely kabalite themed - no wych cult or coven units. Yeah it's a bit limiting, but it should be fun. This is what I came up with at 1750;

HQ
Lady Malys (130)
Archon with Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Agoniser, Shadowfield (135)

ELITE
8 Trueborn with Plasma/Haywire Grenades, 2 Splinter Cannons, 5 Shard Carbines, Dracon with Agoniser (190)
Raider with Flickerfields (70)

5 Incubi, Klaivex (125)
Raider with Flickerfields (70)


TROOPS

10 Kabalite Warriors with Dark Lance (115)
Raider with Flickerfields (70)

5 Kabalite Warriors, Blaster (60)
Venom with 2 Splinter Cannons (65)

5 Kabalite Warriors, Blaster (60)
Venom with 2 Splinter Cannons (65)

5 Kabalite Warriors, Blaster (60)
Venom with 2 Splinter Cannons (65)

5 Kabalite Warriors, Blaster (60)
Venom with 2 Splinter Cannons (65)

SUPPORT

Ravager with Flickerfields (115)
Ravager with Flickerfields (115)
Ravager with Flickerfields (115)"


Kabalite theme is fine (are Reavers okay btw?) but only single squads of Trueborn and Incubi stick out and Lady Malys isn't really adding much to the list. You don't have much in need of re-deployment (i.e. foot DLs) and whilst she's good in combat she's not omg amazing. For the same points you get a similar Archon who also brings along a PGL and stick him with the Incubi. From there split the Trueborn into two squads with Raiders and shardcarbines for some dedicated anti-infantry and an extra Lance shot.

To do this you might need to drop the 10x strong Warrior squad down to a 5-man in Venom and then you have to ask with 5 Venoms do you really need the Shardcarbine Trueborn? Personally I think not and I'd look to make those 2x6x Reaver squads w/Heat Lances instead but if they were outside your theme at least make them Blaster Trueborn (boring but effective).

So, the plan is to deploy lady malys with the trueborn one one flank, the archon and incubi on the other, and with lady malys' redeploy ability, after the enemy has delpoyed move either unit to which ever flank I want to destroy. Hopefully this will also limit the amount of incoming fire heading their way.

What do you think? Is there anything I could do to improve this list, bearing in mind I only want Kabal units (although I imagine they would use miscellaneous units like Scourges, Harlequins and Mandrakes too)? I'd really like to fit in a unit or two of blaster trueborn, but would have to take out the incubi, which would leave me a bit lacking in the assault department. What do you think about taking Duke Sliscus with another unit of shooty trueborn instead of the incubi? My thinking is that with an agoniser in each unit, plus the characters power weapons, they should be able to mop up weakened units alright, and avoid/shoot those nasty combat units they don't want to engage, plus they should be able to get a couple of pain tokens via shooting easy enough for furious charge....


Woops didn't see you had an Archon + Lady Malys! I don't think you're gaining anything from having the two of them but if you turn Lady Malys into an Archon w/PGL + combat upgrades, you can run two Incubi squads in Raiders. With this in mind you can again go for Blaster Trueborn or Reavers with Heat Lances to supplement your anti-tank and turn the 10 strong Warrior squad into another 5 strong w/Venom.

Trueborn should never really be combat units so any upgrades in this regard are pretty meh. In the end they are T3/5+ which bodes ill for them, even if they have pain tokens. They are much better as shooting units. The Duke makes them a lot better at this though you lose the ability to take double Archons w/PGL + 2x Incubi though you could run them without Archons/PGL if you wish and then make a Trueborn + Duke unit with shardcarbines. This would be a pretty big anti-infantry unit so I'd look to grab some Reavers as well which at 1500 probably isn't viable. As a 1750 or 2000 upgrade though it has potential.

In the end I'd look to get in more anti-tank whether it's Blaster Trueborn or Reavers with Heatlances (or Scourges if you prefer them), double up the Incubi so they have redundancy and then fiddle with points around that. Don't be afraid to drop a Ravager either if it gets you access to multiple heat lances.

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Reavers are not part of the Kabals, IIRC. But then again, neither are Incubi.
I'd say use Scourges over Reavers for a truly Kabbalite list, as Reavers are wych cult.
I'd say you've got a solid foundation to the list, but it's a little too divergent at the "scary" position.

The Warriors + Ravagers is a great base and meat of the army, but the Poison-weaponry Trueborn are begging for the Duke, who in turn wouldn't be utilized to the fullest due to your lack of Combat Drugs. Malys is a nice anti-psyker and combat buff for a deathstar unit like a decent squad of Incubi, but then you're not really taking advantage of her redeployment opportunities. The PGL Archon + Incubi is a devastating combination, but are you really getting the most out of your 2 HQ choices at only 1500 points?

I'd say the solution is to retool slightly in one of a few different directions. I'd stay away from the Duke, as you've got plenty of Poisoned Weaponry with your Venoms and wouldn't use his Drug buff. The 2x Incubi+Archon units is a great principle, but I think it's a bit overkill at only 1500 points, particularly when nearly all of the lists anti-tank is coming from the Ravagers, which can quickly be silenced by enemy fire due to the lack of anti-tank target saturation.

Option 1:
10x Warriors --> 5x Warriors w/Blaster in Venom w/2x Cannons (-60 points)
Drop Malys (-130)
Drop Trueborn (-260)
Add 3x Trueborn w/Blasters in Venom w/2x Cannons (+146)
Add 3x Trueborn w/Blasters in Venom w/2x Cannons (+146)
Add 5x Scourges w/2x Heat Lances(+134)
Add 1x Incubi (+22)

Alternatively, if you'd really like to take advantage of Lady Malys' Redeployment abilities,
Change 10x Warriors + Raider to 20x Warriors w/2x DL + Sybarite (+55)
Drop Trueborn (-260)
Add 4x Trueborn w/2x DL (+98)
Add 4x Trueborn w/2x DL (+98)
Drop Klaivex upgrade (-15)
Add Incubus (+22)

It fills out Malys + Incubi's squad a bit, adds Dark Lance Saturation, and allows you to get the most out of that d3 repositioned units if need be. Personally, I prefer the first one, but it's entirely up to you. Alternatively, you could drop the Trueborn altogether, and go with the 2x Incubi units w/Archons and dump some Scourges w/Haywire Blasters, Blasters, or Heat Lances in there.
I bet for 2 units of 5-men kabalite warriors with 4 blsters in venom, 10men kabalite warriors with blaster or shredder and splinter cannon in raiders, 6men reaver unit with 2 heat lances, 5 men sourge unit with 2 splinter cannons and the three ravagers. And if you love malis, why not include her as your archon (an alternative is an archon with shadowfield, agonizer and drugs) in a 4men incui squad whiout klaivex in venom

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