England beat France in the final round to take the 2012 40K European Team Championship in Poland.
The ETC has grown to become one of the world's biggest and
For those who were watching the event unfold, England's result was on the back of some very solid victories for Team England, but was also a surprise because at the end of round 5 the two leading teams expected to battle it out for first place were Germany and Russia. After those two drew, England scored enough points over the French to leapfrog the other teams to the top of the table and make their contribution to keeping the British "Summer of Sport" alive.
Here is a table of the final results so you can see how your favourite teams performed (VP stands for Victory Points, but the all-important score is the MP in the Match Points column).
I'd like to also congratulate my other team in the event, Australia, not only for travelling the huge distance to their first appearance at an ETC, but also for taking the Best Sports award. Well done, and well deserved.
The Australian Team Championship (ATC) will be held on the 1st and 2nd of September, so stay tuned for some coverage of the event - you may even get to see me (Western Australia) match up against Kirby (evil New South Wales boo hiss) if we are completely insane and decide it's a good idea to fit a 7th game into the middle of a gruelling 6 game tournament. And it will be 6th edition!
If you'd like to see in-depth coverage and photos of the event, click here.
So, how did your team do? Any surprises apart from the Pirates of Yarrr finishing ahead of the USA?
mattshadowlord 55p · 658 weeks ago
No, that isn't the real photo.
Kirby 118p · 658 weeks ago
mattshadowlord 55p · 658 weeks ago
2013 could be interesting - if almost all armies have allies, I'd say there is a lot less of a point to codex restrictions.
Kirby 118p · 658 weeks ago
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jasonc · 658 weeks ago
A) Its a big event and is worth noting; Even if I didn't know what it was, saying 'its a big, competitive event, its called the European Team Championships, and 28 countries sent teams including Australia' would give me a pretty good idea of what it is meant to be lol.
B) Who said they didn't like it here? Sounds like you have some sort of bee in your bonnet going on.
C) It came and went pretty quickly, and we didn't get a lot of feedback as to the specifics as the games were going on (at least not from anywhere I could see, and I was actively looking). Doesn't make this post pointless though.
jasonc · 658 weeks ago
Warrior_Warlock · 658 weeks ago
Matt-Shadowlord · 658 weeks ago
The reason I've been paying attention to the ETC is because I am a fan of the event, and because I qualified to go as part of 'Team Australia'. Unfortunately I wasn't able to make it to Europe for this year's ETC, but a friend of mine took my place and has been keeping me informed of their adventures.
I think the ETC is great, and was really happy to see it be so successful. It's a great thing for teams from all over the world to get to play each other at a well organised event.
Congratulations to the winning team England, to all the players who managed to make it to Poland, and most of all to the organisers who put so much work into it. Let's hope 2013 is even better and bigger!
Kirby 118p · 658 weeks ago
I'm sure ome readers don't get it and some do. Just like with most topics which is why you get discussion and back and forth in comments. People go because it's the only relatively decent system to have countries versus each other. Anywhere, where are these assumptions?
Its not the most competitive event, there's a different kind of army style people bring in draw and matchup based lists because the system is match up based. and there is a meta based on the rules. Balanced lists greater than self perceived local metas which is why I disagree with the draw/matchup list based armies. Particularly given within 5th its now possible to run 8 balanced lists (da, gk, ig, de, sw, ba, necrons, sm, orks, bt) and sixth will be even more so.
And the author of this and myself have both been to such an event. A second In two weeks.
Matt-Shadowlord · 658 weeks ago
:D
Warrior_Warlock · 658 weeks ago
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Kirby 118p · 658 weeks ago
It's not the pinnacle of competitiveness though. We can argue all day about what tournament changes and how small they are and how it works, etc. but ETC is a match-up based system. As Matt says above, if you want it to be a proper picture of 'competitive 40k' you'd throw the team members into a hat and pull out who they versed randomly. Or the best of each team would pair up based on the weekend's records, etc.
In a tournament, playing for a draw is a sign of a bad system. Playing for draws is part of the match-up system and isn't a bad thing WITHIN that system. Because it's different.
Yes it's competitive. But it's not the 'olympics' of 40k or whatever people want to call it. And that's what I said ^^ - it's not the most competitive event out there.
dewisant · 658 weeks ago
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mattshadowlord 55p · 658 weeks ago
No harm done.
tzeentchling 76p · 658 weeks ago
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mattshadowlord 55p · 658 weeks ago
Maybe we're not far away from the first 40K World Cup!
Fraser · 658 weeks ago
Athenys · 658 weeks ago
@Matt
The thing is: Your article is written in a way, that somehow wants to degrade the ETC (or at least, it can be read that way)…e.g. "one of the world's biggest tournaments" and "most competitive 40K events"…
And that bothers me for a lot of reasons.
It's not a 40k only event.
It's in europe (and that brings A LOT of restrictions to time, place and costs of the event- and people outside of europe don't get that!).
It's a community-organized event.
And trying to put a value on that (by the way: how do you measure the level of competitiveness ?) is very hard- especially if you no particular insides into organization etc.
For those who don't know:
The ETC is an event in europe, held once a year for 2 TT-systems.This year there where 3 (WH,40k and FoW). The number of participants is growing each year by approx. 100 and it is difficult to find a venue in europe, which can support that.
It's not that those venues don't exist in europe, but the organizers need to respect, that the costs for such a place are high and that will come down to entry-fees. As a matter of fact, there are people/teams who don't want to pay more then 40-50€ per player and that limits the event even more…
Furthermore, the ETC is not held by a company or a specific institution- it's held by volunteers, elected from the teams AND it is a non-profit event…
Even more, we have to respect the wishes of all participants and we have to ensure, that people get what they came for.
So at the end of the day, if you want to say what the ETC really is:
It is the biggest, international, community held Team event of the world. And by the way: It's not called ETC because only europeans are supposed to participate, it's called ETC , because it is held in europe- just putting that out there!
So far, that has nothing to do with 40k in particular.
But looking at 40k. The team's captains decide which format they are going to play, according to which system they're doing the pairings etc….
That is their competitive basis.
I cannot emphasize that enough, but it's a team event!
The "value" of each individual player does matter, but not in the same way it does for single player events. Weather or not a player can do good in a missmatch might very well be a criteria for team-selection, but not if a team as such is a good or bad team. Furthermore if a country wins or looses against another doesn't say anything about an individual player- maybe the captain just didn't know how to do the pairings what so ever…
I just wanted to put aside those "values" and opinions that are brought up in this blog, as it seems, that people don't quite get what the ETC is all about.
If you want a 40k Olympics I'm afraid to tell you, that this won't happen…
@Kirby
I never said you can't post results or anything. It seems odd to me, that you just post the results for an event, most of your readers don't know how to look upon.
And people don't go because the system is "the only good one"…
And people don't bring balanced lists (at least most don't) and a lot of people don't follow "the meta" you are talking about.
This years ETC had a lot of results which show, that the points you make are not what is really going on.
Being 4 years in a row at the ETC and actually seeing all those teams, talking to them etc. people are coming, because they simply like the idea of an international event amongst hobbyists and friends.
I saw people with the same lists, they would play at a single player event and I saw very unbalanced lists, that would IN GENERAL not be successful at a single event, but those players make it work.
Furthermore, there are a lot of players, who don't know the format till 2-3 weeks before the event and who don't know the clarification for they're armies etc…
This "random assignment of players" thing has (by the way) nothing to do with a competitive international team event. Why do build up teams then? You can simply go to the ESC and you have (more or less) what you are looking for.
You know, people who want to call the winner of ESC/ ETC "the best player/team of europe/the world" simply doesn't get it- again: That's not what the event is about- and it never was and it (as far as it looks) it never will.
I'm going to leave you, with your opinion toward draws as I don't understand what you mean by:
"In a tournament, playing for a draw is a sign of a bad system. Playing for draws is part of the match-up system and isn't a bad thing WITHIN that system. Because it's different. "
So I hope, I could clear some things up and that "no harm done" ;)