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Monday, November 1, 2010

Email in: Marine bikes


"Hi Kirby! Long time lurker, first time, uh, writer....

Anyway, after surfing teh intrawebs, pouring over your blog, and checking out the situation at my local store, I have decided to build a biker army. I read Smurfy's series on bikers and the handful of emails you've responded to, but I'm a fairly new player and terribad at list building. For some reason I just don't grok the finer points. So, I'm building an army from scratch, but I don't know where I want this army to go. Actually, I take that back, I want it to go to a kick-ass army, but I don't know how to get it there!

So, I have three semi-related questions:

1.) If you were building Vanilla bikes from scratch and cost was not an issue, what would you do at 1750 and 2000?
2.) Rifle dreads are great, and I see several biker lists that use them. Whether you include them in the list or no, what method do you use to model them?
3.) With Dark Eldar suddenly bringing a boat loat of poison to the table, will that impact bikers that rely on the 4(5)T?

Thanks in advance!

Yours in Pink,
Brother Ed"

1) 1750 I'd prefer a Hybrid list like Fast'N'Slow. 2000 Hybrid and dual command work brilliantly. If you want to cross army books you can also use BA for Blood/Bling Rodeo which works very well at 2000 and 1750 as well.

2) Imperial Guard heavy weapons. Grab 4 autocannons per Dread, 4 3mm magnets, some greenstuff, pinning material, drill bit and plasticard. Using pins and greenstuff you merge two of the autocannons together (see picture), and add in the magnets to connect to the arms. Use plasticard to sort of make armor for the arm (not shown in picture).

3) Not rely. DE anti-infantry will be more potent against Bikes but things like Command Squads (or Terminators/Sanguinary Guard if BA) will crush face in combat or in a Hybrid list you have saturation, speed and the ranged firepower to shut DE down quickly.

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I like your talk about the dreads and bikes. I personally think a combination of both works well. I have even put together a short tutorial on how to make TL autocannons for dreads, found here: [url ]http://gonetoground2.blogspot.com/2010/10/diy-twin-linked-autocannon-arms-for.html[url]
If cost isn't an issue, Forgeworld makes autocannon arms that look great.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space... http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space...
1 reply · active 757 weeks ago
This too :P.
I've just taken the Autocannons off the aegis defence line kit.
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Jackelope King · 757 weeks ago

Same here. They weren't that hard of a conversion (I wound up magnetizing the arms), and now I have plenty of pretty durable little walls to use for terrain on my slowly-growing board at home.
If you do not know a friendly IG player to get the Auto Cannons off you can use the Aegis Defence Line Gun. You get a pair of TL Auto Cannons in the box. While it is more expensive you do get all the terrain as well and less conversion work needed.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/product...

Edit: By the time I had looked up the link to the item someone else has already posted about using them.
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Brother Ed · 757 weeks ago

Hi all. Brother Ed, here. I wanted to thank you for the advice on the riflemen. I'm looking forward to modelling this now, instead of staring aimlessly at my hobby table with a growing sense of dread.

So, just so that I understand what you're saying about the lists, you'd go with a version of either of the two lists Smurfy posted here? http://kirbysblog-ic.blogspot.com/2010/06/how-to-...

Thank you for the help all. List building is a skill I am still trying to master.
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Correct Ed and no problem :) . Goodluck and if you want the lists checked over, just send em in!
I got a bunch of autocannons from forge world for my rifleman dreads. They came kind of warped and the holes weren't drilled all the way out on most of them but with a hobby drill and some soaking in hot water they look great.
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Brother Ed · 757 weeks ago

Ok, so my search-fu failed. What is a good Vanilla Fast'n'Slow list? I've seen several articles on them, but no lists that weren't described as experimental or works in progress?
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Scrub_Balooey · 757 weeks ago

So the reason BA FnS doesn't work is... because BA doesn't have any long range armor in the Elite slot?
Jumpers =/ = Bikes; they just can't put enough offensive pressure on an opposing army without support from SG/VV/Devs/etc which is what pure jumper armies are built around whilst FnS is suppression fire from tanks and pressure from bikes. That's the big difference and 'how' the Blood Rodeo concept was born.

But yes, not being able to cram in 9 FoC of long-ranged firepower units except with sternguard + lasplas RBacks (which become expensive) is another reason and another clear point in favor of all of the Marine books being DIFFERENT lol.
Are bikes that much better than ASM? Is it because of the turbo boost rule and relentless?
It seems to me like the killy power is roughly equivalent when you factor in close combat. Especially at S5-i5.
I get that they're different, and have different roles, but is the shooty role of bikeS that much more significant a threat?
Or is it that the bikes can run away from anything that threatens them, while Jumpers can't?

(edited for spelling and punctuation)

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