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Sunday, December 5, 2010

Yo fester, review my Orks kthnx, Brolo.



[Some of the following in italics may, or may not, have come with this request, though none of the names have been changed to protect the guilty.]

Hi fester,
Love your work, and think you are the best author on 3++, yes, even better than me.
Please review my Orks list and give me some ideas on whats-what.

Wazdakka Gutsmek - 180
Warboss - Warbike, Powerklaw - 125
3 x Lootas (5) - 75 (225)
Nobz (3) - Warbikes, Powerklawx2, Waaagh Banner - 200
2 x Warbikes (3) - Nob, Powerklaw - 110 (220)
2 x Gretchin (10) - Runtherd - 40 (80)
3 x Warbuggies (2) - Twin-Linked Missile Launcher - 70 (210)
2 x Battlewagon - 'Ard Case, Deff Rolla, Big Shoota - 130 (260)
1500

Love Brolo.

So, what are we looking at here, a Wazdakka list.

So let's break this down a little.
We have 15 lootas shooting away at transports, 2 scoring Battlewagons midfield full of Grots, 3 squads of Warbuggies flinging rokkits and 3 squads of bikers (Nobs and boys) cruising around.

I think this is a very fragile army. I can see what you are trying to do, and if you get your tactics down pat, I think it can work. All up, a good list... The only thing I would consider changing, is to drop the Warboss, 1 squad of Lootas, and add more bikers. Sound's off, but those Nob bikers are target priority #1 and wont see past T2, so why waste a warboss on making them troops, when you can get another 3 bikes, at least for the same cost. We will need to drop 1 squad of Grots to make it fit... which leaves us some space for upgrades on the Wagons, or bosspoles on the Bikers... which with this squad size probably isn't worth the points.

Wazdakka
2 x 5 Lootas
Nob Bikerz - 2 Power Klaws, Waaagh Banner
10 Grots
4 x 3 Bikers with PK Nob
3 x 2 Rokkit Buggies
2 Battlewagons with 'Ard Case, Deffrolla, Big Shoota, Red Paint, Grot Riggers

However, what I would do is something more like this and look at a Fast-n-slow style list.
This is mainly due to the fact that I prefer PowerKlaws over Lootas, and like being in my opponent's face instead of hiding out backfield.

Wazdakka
6 x 3 Bikers with PK Nob
3 x 2 Rokkit Buggies
3 x 3 Kans with Rokkits

I took out the 3 Nob bikers for 6 Regular bikers, which leaves the same number of Power Klaws.
This means, at 1500, you are putting down 19 bikers (wooo :( ) and 15 vehicles, all with Rokkits at BS3 or TL BS2. With Wazdakka, thats 19 S8 shots per turn. On top of that, you are still packing 9 DCCW, 7 PowerKlaws and some TLS5 Bike Dakka too.
Personally, this is the route I would go down.

Your mileage may vary of course, but this sort of list, personally, I think is scary.

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If you taking WazDakka I would say focus on regular bikers. If you want nob biker squads, take 2 bosses and 2 big squads of them(and give them both FnP).
3 replies · active 751 weeks ago
Sure, but you end up being only able to reliably destroy 2-4 units a turn, and are susceptable to large templates, blocking, and MSU.
Whatever you hit, dies, but you will lose 1 WB+Squad a turn as they level all their firepower at you... and you aren't fearless either, so a PBS means you run, never to return.
Your right. I'm not gonna try to defend the tactics of a total Nob Biker list but I do have one retort: Know the form, seek the formless. They have potential strengths and weaknesses just like everything. But just like any Special Character I would recommend taking full use of Wazdakka's special rules. But then my own response could be used against me and the whole thing turns into a circle.
Tis all good - part of being an author on a blog like this is to question all thoughts and ideas (including your own)
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Vinsanity · 751 weeks ago

Wazdakka
6 x 3 Bikers with PK Nob
3 x 2 Rokkit Buggies
3 x 3 Kans with Rokkits

GJ uncle fester, you have made me want to collect the above Ork list :p
4 replies · active 751 weeks ago
LOL.

Well, remember 2 things. 1. Its 1500 which means 2. you can add more bikers and fill up the buggies with the other 250 points...
Or look here for an idea of something even more mean http://whiskey40k.blogspot.com/2010/09/what-to-br...
So um... am I dumb? Or missing something, here?

Shouldn't there be, you know, a couple troop units?
Wazdakka = Bike Troops
It's OK man, Wazdakka doesn't see the limelight much, so it's not an auto-understanding thing,

The reason for this? 3 Bikers is almost worth 20 basic boys. In a head-to-head, its a pretty simple piece of math :)
Yet again a 3++ author steals my mojo. First Kirby with my Thundergate, an now Brofester with MY! Orks. http://kirbysblog-ic.blogspot.com/2010/03/email-i... I thought of it first, they're mine! Anyway, I obviously like the Wazzy/Bikes/Grotwagon theme, so I'm on board
1 reply · active 751 weeks ago
I dont really like grotwagons myself, but that is a personal thing.

Big tough scoring battlewagons are cool, but people soon learn that Deffrolla's arent that scary against infantry, and when you only have 10 grots to mop up after you deffrolla a Rhino... you can find yourself somewhat lacking.
Now Brolo must get this list
"Love your work, and think you are the best author on 3++, yes, even better than me.
Please review my Orks list and give me some ideas on whats-what."

oh my lol....

I like including the nob bikers cus they're..... nob bikers. It's funny to see people whine and cry about cheese. I like your list and would consider doing something similar, but like the hybrid nature of mine.

GW.... great minds n'all...

Koop - we should come together across the globe and make this a 3++ thematic army. Then you could all pay for me to fly around the world and play in international superstar tournaments with it. Kirby I'm sure would love a 3++ ork army.
5 replies · active 751 weeks ago
As long as you paint them as pink-skinned...
... so if I paint orks with pink skin you'll pay for me to fly around the world and play with them ...

Deal
All of us will. I'm chipping in 1c which rounds down to 0c in Australian.

How about everyone else?
I got 5c AUD to add to that... (feeling generous I ams)
As for critique: 3 Nob bikers is nice, but 6 regular bikers is AS nice, if not nicer.

2 > 1 and all that.

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