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Sunday, January 2, 2011

Email, err, post in: 1500 Battlewagons

Dang. I must be a dork cuz I can't find where to email ya'll. I know it's semi off topic, but I figure I'd post this list here.
Anyways, what do you think of this list? I have all the models except for the second Battlewagon. I was thinking of picking up a second Battlewagon. You think it's worth it?

1500 Orks Mechanized
2 x Big Mek with Kustom Force Field
4 x 11 Boyz with Power Klaw Nob in Trukk
11 Boyz in Battlewagon with Killkannon and Big Shoota
11 Burna Boyz in Battlewagon with Killkannon and Big Shoota
12 Lootas


I'm thinking about getting some Grot Tanks and using them as buggies as I move to 1750, 1850 and 2000. Bikes would also be good too, I think.

Reynor Padilla ·


Well it looks like a solid list. When I read the "I will send you a list about battlewagons" I expected to see something like:
Warboss, KFF Mek, 2 Nob-stars in Wagons, 40 boys in HS Wagons

However, looking at this list I would suggest making a few changes, I think.
It's a solidish list, with lots of targets and lots of killy @ 1500 points, but some of it might be a little redundant.

To Army Builder!

Well, first I would lose one of the Meks. At 1500, thats a lot of points for exactly 0 killy. I would also lose the Killkannons for Deffrollas and play a much more offensive game.

So let's assume you are happy to change out the Killkannons for Deffrollas....
We start with the basics.

HQ
Big Mek, KFF
2 are great for 1750+, but for 85 points I can get 2 Rokkit buggies which are much more offensive rather than defensive @ 1500.
Elites
6 Lootas
6 Lootas
We split the 12 into 2 x 6 for better target saturation. Not sure if this is how you do run them, but it's how you should.
8 Burnas
11 is too many, nothing should survive 8 flame templates, and those 45 points buy us some cool stuff below
Troops
11 boyz + PK Nob, Trukk
11 boyz + PK Nob, Trukk
11 boyz + PK Nob, Trukk
11 boyz + PK Nob, Trukk
19 boyz + PK Nob 
The 20 boyz conveniently fits in a Battlewagon. Coincidence, no?
Fast Attack
Grot tanks!
2 Rokkit Buggies
2 Rokkit Buggies
Heavy Support
Battlewagon, Deffrolla, Armour Plates, Big shoota
Battlewagon, Deffrolla, Armour Plates, Big shoota
This is about as cheap as you can go for 'rolla wagons. You can ditch the Plates but they will keep you moving, and as you dont care about shooting anyway, offensive.

This is what I would try to be working towards for 1500 based on your list and wants. You could cut 2 Trukk squads for another 20 boyz + BW Squad later on, and you will find its very, very nasty.

So in summary: Yes get another Battlewagon, but splash out for the upgrade sprue while you are there. It's required use for a Battlewagon, unfortunately.

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I've always liked the Grot objective campers myself.
1 reply · active 746 weeks ago
I understand that people like the little grot squads, but they just seem a waste to mr. The codex make you spend 85 points on defense every game (kff mek) so you need to be careful how much more non Killy you burn points on.
What about Grot Riggers for the Battlewagons? Since they exist to ram things, Immobilized results would be bad.

Who rides in the heavy support wagons? Burnas want to, the big squad will, and then one empty? Mek goes with Burnas I imagine, or in the "empty" one.
1 reply · active 746 weeks ago
Burnaz and the boys ride. I would happily drop 2 burners for grot riggers on everything but I was trying to keep it semi-true to the origins.
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Reynor Padilla · 746 weeks ago

Sounds like i needs me some buggies addition to the battlewagon.

I've got plenty of grots I can put on the battlwagons for riggers.

Thanks for your help!
1 reply · active less than 1 minute ago
No worries mate.
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Warboss Stalin · 746 weeks ago

My current 1500pt tourney list...yeah it works

Bigmek KFF
X5 pimped nobs + painboy (x2 pk, cybork, combiskortcha, WB, Bp, Big Choppa)
PK HA BP Nob + 13 Tankbustas x3 bombsquigs (yeah, squigs are worth it)
PK HA BP Nob + 20 shoota boyz (x2 Big Shootas)
PK HA BP Nob + 20 shoota boyz (x2 Big Shootas)
X4 battlewagons (deffrolla, armor plates, grot riggers (except nobs who have big mek), red paint, big shoota).

Go @ least speed 7 so they need 6's in melee. Used this saturday vs:

Uraka the Warfiend
X4 Bloodcrushers + Hearld of Khorne on Juggy?
x20 Bloodletters + Skulltaker
x20 Pink Horrors + Changeling
x20 Fleshhounds

Killed 'em all in four rounds (except hounds, who never made it in) didn't take a wound or lose a wagon.
6 replies · active 746 weeks ago
Stalin: that's not a bad list, but I would run 20 boyz instead of the tankbustaz if it was me.
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Reynor Padilla · 746 weeks ago

I was wondering about that. Tankbusta models are so super cool, though.

What do orks use to kill tanks? I can't think of anything that could reliably do it.
That is the reason that orks aren't rated as a tier 1 army.

The reliable anti tank is:
Lootaz, Tank bustaz,rocket buggies, rocket kans, deffrollas.
Saying that, tankbustas can end up not being all that reliable unless you spend lots of points on them.
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Warboss Stalin · 746 weeks ago

? Tankbustas...they're G_G_G_G_G_reeeaaaat. A unit of AP 3 STR 8 shooters? Bombsquigs that can hit without line of sight at effective BS 5? (And don't affect who your 'bustas fire their rokkits at). One the few elite choices that can have a bosspole? Tank Hammers that can insta-kill thunderwolves (Or easily mess up landraiders). They can also move 7" in red battlewagons and fire, unlike lootas. And there's nothing funenr that yelling "RELEASE THE BOMB SQUIGS!!!"
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Warboss Stalin · 746 weeks ago

Forgot to add: If you feel beardy and know you're facing Nids or daemons (or necrons), Tankbusta's become even better, with few vehicles to bother with Glory Hogs. They just eat big daemons and Nid Mst. Creatures...
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Reynor Padilla · 746 weeks ago

I have the Tank Buster models. I might as well use them! :P

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