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Monday, March 21, 2011

2000 points pure Grey Knights


Kirby decided there needs to more content regarding GK lists without any Henchman usage in it so he forced me to write this. Yes my life sucks. Well actually that's not the whole story, we were talking a bit and ended up brainstorming about a Grey Knight list. Let me explain how it went.

See, Kirby started off with Purifiers. He likes them and frankly, most people do. Well except me maybe, but that aside. So quickly he produced a draw and as with almost all Purifier lists: Crowe makes any list look non-optimised right away. Well you have no choice if you want loads of Purifiers, so if that's what you're looking for go ahead. Maybe somebody will do a post on a Crowe list eventually, but currently most are simply spamming the same setup of Purifiers in rhinos with Psyfleman in support and Crowe on foot. Poor guy.

However we both liked the general feel of the list: Libby + Paladins, 4x Purifiers in rhinos and 2 or 3 Psyfleman. (depending on 1750 or 1850) Oh yes and Crowe was in that one too. What did we like about this? Well we believe that having a Paladin unit in your army has quite some potential. It's a unit with 2 very accurate and relentless Psycannons on a hard to kill platform, while it still is killy in assault and gives you a place for the Libby without the need to footslog something which doesn't want to footslog. Sneaky Dan already did a post on Paladins btw. Purifiers and Psyflemen are fine units of course. What's the problem though when you take Crowe out? Oh hey look, no scoring left.

So how to solve this? Well what about changing 2 Purifiers to GKSS units instead? Well that means you have a mighty total of 20 scoring Meq bodies in a 1750 list... There are lists which can get away with that, but not this one: You spend nearly 600 points on those units, you can't afford to play defensively with them in fear of losing 1 of the squads. However, apart from that the list was looking allright. Now the funny thing is; 30 scoring GK's in 2000 points is enough... And so we decided to make it a 2000 points list instead:

Libririan; 4 powers 170
5 Paladins; 2x MC Psycannon 325
10 GKSS; 2x Psycannon, Hammer, Psybolt, Rhino 290
10 GKSS; 2x Psycannon, Hammer, Psybolt, Rhino 290
10 GKSS; 2x Psycannon, Hammer, Psybolt, Rhino 290
5 Purifiers; 2x Psycannon, Halberd, Rhino 182
5 Purifiers; 2x Psycannon, Halberd, Rhino 182
Dreadnought; 2x TLAC, psybolt 135
Dreadnought; 2x TLAC, psybolt 135
Total: 1999

You gotta understand that this list is much more shooting focused than it is assault focused. It's a typical midfield army though: The biggest part of you army simply has a 30" range max, 24" for more shots. Short-ranged shooty army as you will. The assault component shouldn't be underestimated though; it's still a lot of powerweapons with potential Libby buffs. Biggest problem? Getting into midfield rather untouched. No problem when going first, more of a problem when going 2nd against some really shooty armies. Libby should help here though with shrouding to prevent getting crippled before it's your turn.

Expect more pure Grey Knight army lists soon, also for the 1500-1850 points range. And yes, we are aware that it's mostly theoryhammer at this point and that's how you should look at it too. It's in any case solid, we can say that also without proper testing. It gives people some ideas, certain frameworks which you can work with.

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Just for the record: Paladins only have one "L" in them.

Besides that this list looks promising, although, as you said, it will really hurt to play against long range shooting armies like Tau or Imperial Guard with this.
1 reply · active less than 1 minute ago
Fixed the spelling, thanks (:
It would be ok, just rhino rush and pop smoke etc
I quite like the very basic, but spammy...

Librarian - 2 powers, 2 skulls - 170
3 x Purifiers (5) - 2 x Psycannon - Rhino - 180
4 x GK (5) - Psycannon, 2 x Halberd, Hammer, Psybolt Ammo (2 of 4 squads) - Razorback - TL-AC - Psybolt - 235
3 x Dreadnought - AssCan, Psybolt ammo - 130
2000

Sadly, the libby has to 'pull a mephy' and walk on foot whilst casting shrouding. 10 vehicles and whole load of rending str 7 shots. Just hope your opponent doesn't bring along a land raider.
Whats the exact wording on Crowe, regarding the Purifiers being troops? If he dies they lose their scoring status?
8 replies · active 733 weeks ago
In an army that includes Castellan Crowe, Purifier Squads are Troops choices.
I'm pretty sure you misinterpreted "What's the problem though when you take Crowe out? Oh hey look, no scoring left" in the same way I did when I first skimmed this article. Without my morning coffee it sounded like killing Crowe stopped the Purifiers from being scoring. The author was of course referring to removing Crowe from the list. Anything else would make Crowe the worst special character in the game.
I raise you Ahirman.
Is this a contest? Really?
Zoogy is overpriced and grab a important HQ slot, Ahiram is just plain expensive.

So I raise you all the Space pope. :P
I hold and raise with Aun'van
I raise you Farsight!...
Tau character = win!

Or lose, as the case may be....(oh, I hope the new codex does not suck).
I was playing around with something similar but with Draigo in:

HQ
Draigo - 275

elites
5 Pureifers, 2x Psycannon, Halberd, Rhino = 182
5 Pureifers, 2x Psycannon, Halberd, Rhino = 182

troop
10GKSS, 2X Psycannon, Halberds, Psybolt, Rhino = 310
10GKSS, 2X Psycannon, Hammer, Psybolt, Rhino = 290
5 Paladins - 2 master crafted psycannons = 325

Fast
Storm Raven - 205

Heavy
Dreadknight - gatling psilencer, heavy psycannon, great sword = 230

1999

Must like your list, but with an added bullet magnet of a stormraven that, if not blown up, can chew up light tanks and hoard units with ease as your able to chop and change the weapons depending on the army your about to face for free.

Plus the thing I like about Draigo and his equivilants is that you can possibly have your entire army scoring, meaning your dreadknight can hang back and blast the crap out of your enemy, whilst he also claims/counters an objective.
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No, because if it isn't an all-comers list, it has no value. :)

Anyone can play Rock-paper-scissors and write a list to specifically win one game.
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Roland Durendal · 733 weeks ago

I dig the list Zjoekov. It's similar to the pure list I plan on running at 2K, which is (roughly off memory):
Libby, 3 Powers
GM with 3 Servoskulls, Halberd, bunch of Grenades
2X Asscan mounted Purifier squads with 2X Psycannons, 2X Halbers, 1X Hammer
2X maxed out GKSS's in Rhinos with 2X Psycannons, Psybolt ammo and a halberd
2X Psyfledreads and a jumpy Dreadknight with Heavy Psycannon and Incinerator

I really think pure GK can and will be a strong army once everyone gets over the Coteaz hype and start thinking outside of his monkey-mobiling box of DOOM
1 reply · active 733 weeks ago
The reason Coteaz gets the nod is that he's a cheap HQ in an army composed of expensive ones.
He can ride in a Rhino, whereas most other HQs are in terminator armour leading to a lack of synergy with a power armoured mounted army.
He makes Henchmen troops, giving access to melta and lascannons.
He's a gorgeous model... although that might be a somewhat subjective evaluation.

If he had a psychic hood equivalent I'd say he was the optimum character bar none.

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