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Wednesday, March 16, 2011

Grey Knights Codex Review

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Both VT2 and SirBiscuit have asked to do a Grey Knights codex review. However, they don't want to do it together as they have some differing ideas :P. So my question to you dear readers is would you like all their ideas (+ any authors who would like to contribute) to be combined into one document and formatted appropriately (i.e. the Dark Eldar codex review) or would you prefer separate posts from each of them?

I'd personally prefer having them combined into one as you have all the discussion focused in one area but unless Biscuit and VT2 did this, I'd have to combine them myself which is work! The subtle message here being I don't think they want to combine their posts. Having the two separate reviews however gives a greater ability to see the two differing viewpoints on particular topics however.

In the end I'm going to leave it up to you. And also at this point some feedback on the Dark Eldar review as it stands. Did you like the format and find the information accessible? Yes it's still being worked on. Someone hasn't sent me their thoughts on Heavy or Fast. *drums fingers*
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CptFornost 44p · 738 weeks ago

I haven't read your DE review so I can offer no feedback. I'd like to see both GK reviews separate though. because it allows for comparison between authors, which is always good as they have different points of view. And personally I prefer VT2's school of thought :p
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Daybreak · 738 weeks ago

I too would like to see two separate reviews. This way I can find the one that more closely aligns with my playstyle and rely exclusively on it.
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Dezzo · 738 weeks ago

use different colour fonts when their views overlap on the same units.

i also prefer if they give all their views but hopefully consolidate the same units they are talking about into 1 article instead of splitting them up.
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Katie_Drake 49p · 738 weeks ago

Separate reviews. No need for them to share space really.
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Marshal_Wilhelm 61p · 738 weeks ago

I agree, we don't want them 'having' to agree with one another just for niceness sake.
Let's here their views in an unadulterated form
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Desc440 · 738 weeks ago

One article, two viewpoints clearly identified individually. Gogogo!
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KingCronan · 738 weeks ago

separate! I like having both opinions and writing styles. VT2 always makes very good points and has convinced me of things that i used to think were useless. But he seems to have a very black and white view imho. Always this is good this is bad with few between and is very blunt about it. Again he always backs his claims up very well, hes just not really my style. I would like to see both so i can compare differing ideas and formulate a more well rounded opinion for me to re-build my daemonhunters around this new knights codex.
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ManusCelerDei 53p · 738 weeks ago

Separate, I am looking forward to vt2's review.
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HERO · 738 weeks ago

You could do it in a multiple interview format. What does each person think of this and that. Add me to the convo too imo.
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Kirby 118p · 738 weeks ago

If you'd like to post a review I'd be happy for you to as well. Drop me an e-mail ;P.
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ManusCelerDei 53p · 738 weeks ago

ICE COLD REVENGE
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J4br4 41p · 738 weeks ago

Separate. Preferably with some kind of overview of differing opinions at the end or a synthesis if you will...
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Pinball Wizard · 738 weeks ago

How about keeping them separate but not telling us who wrote which piece until the end of the article?
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Nikephoros · 738 weeks ago

How about people wait to play test and make informed decisions before reviewing the codex?
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Atreides · 738 weeks ago

no, i want to be told what to think so i can blindly follow (and not waste my time and money on crap units that look good on paper)
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Kirby 118p · 738 weeks ago

But...you haven't started play-testing? I've already got a few games in with my GK 1850 trial. I know Mike has as well. Hopefully these two will too!
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Atreides · 738 weeks ago

currently i have neither the time, nor the models to playtest anything :( and considering 50% of my army is going to consist of scratchbuilt robots, i really want to know what is good and what isnt before i start building the larger units. in particular i want to know if there are any realistic uses for dreadknights given the moderate ineffectivness of their weapon options.
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Nikephoros · 738 weeks ago

I just really want a quality review. I'd rather wait a month for the reviewers to get a couple dozen games in and release an awesome review than someone who may have played a handful of games and is posting their "impressions." Hey, don't get me wrong, I'd read someone's post on their initial impressions too, but I think the "official review" should be something arrived at after rigorous testing, that is a valuable resource a year and a half from now because it was done with due diligence.
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garthmichel 38p · 738 weeks ago

I 2nd this. One thing that is irritating me lately is how people are chocking up loads of lists, unit, armies reviews and tactic guides, when the codex isn't even out yet. Yes it's possible to get your hands on the codex via different methods, but I really think this stuff should wait till after the codex is out.

Other than that, 2 separate reviews pls.
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Badger · 738 weeks ago

So do I. It's too early to tell how strong the GK Codex actually is, and what are the best builds available. I'm nonetheless fearing for my DE, Tyranids, and Ultramarine armies - let's hope they won't end up being shelved.
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Kirby 118p · 738 weeks ago

That was @ Nike Atreides not you :P.
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Antebellum · 738 weeks ago

I don't necessarily think that an army and list needs to be played out over and over to get a good understanding of what it does and how it does it. Many of the authors here can look at a unit and say "This is way too overcosted and should only really be used in X scenario" or "12 inches of mishap surrounding some GK units completely screws over deep strike armies."

Playtesting will confirm and probably solidify the points, but I think that most evaluations can be done without much playing.
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Jasonc · 738 weeks ago

Two seperate reviews - I think this would be better. We can have a more concisive review when people having been playing a bit with them.
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Atreides · 738 weeks ago

i wouldnt mind either way. however, while i like both authors, i'm not sure their styles would mesh very well.
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necroninja 36p · 738 weeks ago

I'd prefer separate reviews, personally. It makes less work for you (which means we'll get to see at least one of the reviews sooner) and it's what the authors want. So I don't see any disadvantage of splitting the reviews!
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Zjoekov 74p · 738 weeks ago

Seperate reviews please. They both have very different writing styles too (classy Vs. ranty basicly and no VT2 you aren't the classy one :P), which makes it fun reading anyway even while they might have similar views/opinions.
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artemi7 78p · 738 weeks ago

I agree that two separate posts is likely the best way to go on this issue. It clears the authors to write what they want, and not have to consider a second person while doing so.

That said, it might be best to limit discussion on the various units and topics to one thread. Keeps all the comments in the same area, and you aren't flipping between two posts to talk about the same subject matter or units. The best way to do this is either A) have a special thread that the two posts link to for discussion, or B) pick the first one submitted for a certain topic and restrict conversation to that thread.

Other then that, we'll see! I'm curious to see if my impressions and thoughts on various units end up being close to reviewers...
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abortedsoul · 738 weeks ago

Post them as separate blog posts, but but them into the Codex Review as one article. As far as reference material, it's always better to have stuff condensed and easy to access, as opposed to having to dig through a bunch of different posts to try and get a coherent picture.

One article.
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abortedsoul · 738 weeks ago

but put^
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gundog8324 · 738 weeks ago

How about we turn this into a game?

Kirby posts both articles and then we the readers guess who wrote which article, as a "Know your 3++ writer day"
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Rawrtime 31p · 738 weeks ago

there has been tonnes of VT2 love, so i want SirBiscuit's review :D
ill still look at VT2's dont worry *pats VT2*
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Lyracian 59p · 738 weeks ago

I will read whatever comes but would prefer one review

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