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Sunday, February 20, 2011

Email in: Looking to make a Dread list


"Hello Kirby and the gang at 3++

I'm a relatively new reader, but 3++ has quickly become my favorite 40k blog. I've found your articles to be well written, witty, informative and useful - they've already paid off in some of my recent games.


Glad you're liking it. We do try out wit out though I'm sure most of our English teachers back from kiddie-school would hate us. I certainly know I would cringe if I got some of these as papers for marking...

So on to my question...

Dreadnaughts!

Sorry - just had to yell that. I love dreadnaughts - not just their stats (which vary depending on type and loadouts) - but the idea of them and their models. So, for the first time I'm thinking about running a Dreadnaught spam (for lack of a better term) list.

My question is this: What codex would you use? Obviously you have 3 choices:
1) Space Wolves, 4 dreads possible (not very spammy)
2) Vanilla, 6 dreads possible
3) Blood Angels - technically 11 possible, but that would be a bit silly with no scoring units..

So what codex/build out would be the best/most competitive codex/list for putting as many Walking Boxes Of Doom on the board?

Thanks!

-- Andy Akins"


2 or 3. Vanilla does a very 'basic' and not very exciting Dreadnought list in terms of what each Dreadnought (and the list in general) does but is probably the more competitive of the two (by a hair). You can check this list out here which uses the MotF, MM Dreads and Tactical squads to dominate midfield. I'd say this list is mildly more competitive than the BA list as whilst you are less offensive on the Drop (no Blood Lance backed up by assault squads), you've got more mobile MMs which really helps against faster armies which want to keep away from you.

The Blood Angel list has more variety in terms of what squads are coming down and more assault power with better combat Dreadnoughts and Assault Marines (potentially with FNP/FC) instead of Tactical Marines. As discussed above though, there is less mobile/ranged firepower with only 3 MM Dreads compared to 6. This isn't really a huge factor with all the meltaguns in the army but against fast armies can be problematic (particularly Eldar). That being said there are also a lot more options for this list in terms of diversification and tweaking to personal preference.

Hope that gives you some ideas Andy and goodluck building the list. It will be very expensive with all the Drop Pods needed and would love to see pictures if you end up building it.

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Grey Knights!

3 Dreadknights, and 3 Venerable Dreads. Only 6 total, but you can have fun adding in some of the new servitor characters in the INQ henchman. You get a Techmarine, AND you can have the WH INQ for HQ. Definately a freak show.
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Dreadknights aren't strictly Dreads though since they are W based models rather than Walkers. Also should wait for the full codex release but this is certainly a possible option.
Don't forget the BA dread list in the article "Email in: Try try again: 2000 BA Dreads"

I've been playing that list since Kirbs suggested it, and I have not been disappointed.
It also leaves some room for adjustment here and there.

Here's how I've been running it in the last few weeks:

Libby (shield, lance)

Furioso Dread, Libby
- Drop Pod, Deathwind
Furioso Dread, Libby
- Drop Pod, Deathwind
Furioso Dread, HF, Talons
- Drop Pod, StormB

Assault Marines, Melta, IP
- Razorback, TL-HF, HK, Dozer
Assault Marines, Melta, IP
- Razorback, TL-HF, HK, Dozer
Assault Marines, Melta, IP
- Razorback, TL-HF, HK, Dozer
Assault Marines, Melta, IP
- Razorback, TL-HF, HK, Dozer

Land Speeder, Typhoon, HB
Land Speeder, Typhoon, HB
Land Speeder, Typhoon, HB

Dreadnaught, TL-ACx2
Dreadnaught, TL-ACx2
Dreadnaught, TL-ACx2

It's good fun!
TBH I really should send this in to get a review on it’s own but it may interest you to see what you can do with a bike dread list. The basic plan is to reserve the bikes for outflanking with then combat squad-ing on deployment with an assault element of the sarg+IC (one each) and a roving fire squad with the specials and attack bikes. With the dreads softening up targets, whist remaining in cover. The scout are there for holding base objective with 3+2++ cover save thanks to the boaster defenses and telion giving them stealth since the new FAQ. It still work in progress the specials could be swapped around a bit and I still not sure about telion him self.
HQ
Kor'sarro Khan on Moonfang Total 205pts
Master of the forge on bike Total 135pts
HQ total 340pts
Troops
Space Marine Bike Squad with five extra members and an attack bike with multi-melta. Squad armed with two melta guns and power sword Total 300pts
Space Marine Bike Squad with five extra members and an attack bike with multi-melta. Squad armed with two melta guns and power sword Total 300pts
Scout squad with sniper riffles and missile launcher and sergeant telion Total 135pts
Troops total 735pts
Elites and Heavy supports
Dreadnought with 2xTL alto cannons 135pts
Dreadnought with 2xTL alto cannons 135pts
Dreadnought with 2xTL alto cannons 135pts
Dreadnought with 2xTL alto cannons 135pts
Dreadnought with 2xTL alto cannons 135pts
Elites and Heavy supports total 675pts
Total 1750pts
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Andy Akins · 736 weeks ago

OP here...

First of all, thanks for the comments - I had already read the 4 MotF lists you had here, and was looking for the comparison... which you gave :) So thanks a lot.

I was curious as two how your Mech Dread list was holding up. My main concern with the Drop Dreads? Well, concerns actually. First is I am known in my gaming group to have horrible luck with Drop Pods. Not even with the strategy of using them - more with dice rolls and scatter. Even with inertial guidance, mine seem to end up in the most annoying places...

But I'm also thinking about the cost ($$$) of 11 pods. AND the pain in the butt it would be to carry them around (I have to travel for any games). Plus, just looking at the list, I like the mix-up of some TL-AC dreads and MM dreads - I like variety. Does the Mech Dread play out very well?

Again, thanks (to everyone) for your comments. I'm pretty sure I'm going to paint them up as Sons of Medusa from IA 10 (Lime Green Marines to the Rescue), and although I'm an average painter at best, once I get some things painted up I'll be happy to post a pic and humiliate myself :)
1 reply · active 736 weeks ago
As for drop pods, do this
http://santacruzwarhammer.blogspot.com/2007/11/lo...

They cost next to nothing to build, and when you've made a few I would say they take about the same time to cut and assemble as a regular drop pod. Of course, the one thing that is lacking is the moving doors. If that is a problem, model them with the doors open in the first place, since a drop pod with closed doors really is just for display purposes.

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