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Thursday, February 24, 2011

Space Wolves Herohammer, 1850pts, Re-tooled; Event Horizon List


Space Wolves Herohammer, 1850pts, Re-tooled.

So, Kirby in his arrogance is refusing to have a game against my Herohammer Space Wolves with his Tyranids. He claims that he will win and it is inconcievable that I stand even the slightest chance against him. In Kirby's own words "it would be a pointless exercise in futility." Those are my own words. It does not mean I will win. Remember I'm not the one to have claimed I win all tourney setting games. In fact, I've never made any claims about my playing ability. What the quote means is it won't prove anything. You either have to really outplay me (or anyone as you don't have any ranged firepower; remember you beat Dennis because  he multi-assaulted not knowing you were S10), or have insane dice/my dice are terribad. It's not just me who's saying this. If you win you prance around going look it works lalalala and continue ignoring all criticisms to list (which is the main issue here). If I win...yay I spent a couple hours of my life doing what exactly? I cannot foresee myself having fun because of these outcomes so why would I submit myself to it? Ergo, exercise in futility; not I'm gonna win so what's the point.

So I figure the only way i am going to get a game against him is if I am lucky enough to get a draw against him in a tournament which we both attend because he won't grudge me if I'm packing Herohammer, or any army for that matter - I figure it's because if I do beat him with such an army, he'll never live it down, which, in all honesty, especially where he stands on the matter of the army and how crap it is on a competitively balanced level and how much scorn he's heaped on me for it, would be rather funny, and no, he'd never live it down. *ponders* I haven't actually heaped crap on it. I've said it's a one-dimensional army and unless you badger me about it, I don't talk about it. And grudging at tournaments is silly *finds worst player with worst list* I'll grudge you for an easy seal club! Now I'm in the top bracket yesssss. So I'd never grudge anyone. Ever. Now that we have our Kirby facts straight let's listen to taak. 

 That all said, I was originally going to run Herohammer at every tournament I could get to this year, so yeah...Event Horizon here I come. Event Horizon, for those not aware is a new Non-Comp based tournament being held here in Sydney for the first time this year, run by the current High Lord of Terra (Australia's current equivalent of a Nationals Tournament collecting the top ranking players from the larger tournaments each year at an invite only event, whilst the rest of the players get to play in the open, but the High lords is where it's at in terms of prestige and whilst comped, it is incredibly competitive so don't go dissing it all you comp haters as it also includes winners of non-comp events too) Dennis Fung whom I beat with Herohammer at Cryx Cup in the last round there. So it seems kind of poetic and fitting. The aim for me at the tournament, as with any tournament, is to win a single game. But there's a problem. We're at 1,850pts and the Herohammer is 1,750pts...and we need to try and up the survivability/strengths further if possible, so that means some modifying of the army.

First up, Warrior Born lord - Twin Frost Weapons is cool...2 options, i) increase resilience with a Stormshield, thus losing 1 attack but staying alive longer, or, ii) lose an attack but gain flexibility in attacks by running a frost weapon and a thunder hammer thereby being able to tailor my weapon of choice against whatever I am facing.

Second of all, to make it more survivable and do more damage from the get go, a drop pod for the terminators. The Drop Pod will die, but getting first turn Foehammer/Jaws of the Wolf funsies on say, a Trygon, could be high-larious, but really to just get in point blank with the slow ass terminator half of the army from the first turn onwards. The Bikers and Thunderwolves are fast enough to catch up.
1850pts is 100pts more then the standard 1750pts I've run it at, and I had previously decided to run Lone Wolves up to 2,000pts, but thanks to a chap by the name of Mark over in New Zealand who sent me an email recently asking for some advice on an 1850pt version of the list he was going to run for a comp tourney, I'm going to pinch his expansion and add in a single Thunderwolf Cavalry model with a Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield, which means cutting points here and there. But that's okay as both Thunderwolf Lords suddenly have another ablative paired wounds not to mention even more strength 10 smack down and if the Thunderwolf Lord with the Warrior Born Saga has a Frost Blade and a Thunder Hammer, then that is one huge ass amount of strength 10 smack down (14-17 attacks base depending on a charge/successful counter-attacking) and I have the ability to split off and hit 3 separate heavily armoured targets with that sort of smackdown which, lets be honest, is bloody epic.

Where does this put me?

HQ 1a) Logan Grimnar - 275pts
HQ 1b) Njal Storm Caller in Runic Terminator Armour - 270pts
HQ 2a) Wolf Lord
Thunderwolf Mount, Wolf Tail Talisman, Wooftooth Necklace, Runic Armour, Storm Shield, Thunder Hammer, Saga of the Bear - 275pts

HQ 2b) Wolf Lord
Thunderwolf Mount, Wolf Tail Talisman, Wooftooth Necklace, Runic Armour, Belt of Russ, Frost Weapon, Thunder Hammer, Saga of the Warrior Born - 295pts

Troops 1) 3 Wolf Guard
Space Marine Bike, Power Armour, Storm Shield
1xThunder Hammer; 1xFrost Weapon & Melta-Bombs; 1xMark of the Wulfen & Bolt Pistol - 299pts

Troops 2) 3 Wolf Guard
1xArjac Rockfist
2xTerminator Armour (1x2xChainfists; 1xStormshield, Storm Bolter & Mark of the Wulfen)
Dedicated Transport: Drop Pod w/Storm Bolter - 349pts

Fast Attack 1) Thunderwolf Cavalry
Power Armour, Storm Shield, Thunder Hammer - 110pts
1873pts - 23pts over-points.

First up we can salvage points on the Warrior Born Lord, downgrading the Thunderhammer to a Powerfist and the Frost Weapon to a Wolf Claw. Wolf Claw at str 5 is still decent especially when you are hitting on a 3+ all the time so that's 10pts saved down to 13pts left, Same deal with the Thunderwolf Cavalry chap, downgrade the Thunderhammer to a Powerfist which saves another 5pts dropping us to 8pts left to salvage. Downgrading the Frost Weapon on the Biker Wolf Guard to a Wolf Claw loses a bit of punch but keeps flexibility and hitting power in terms of by-passing armour saves and as much as i don't want to lose the protection in terms of a split/killed Lords, ditching a Wolf Tail Talisman on one of the Thunderwolf Lords gets us the last points to make it legal, so ditching the one on the Warrior Born Lord as he dies faster, so all on longterm preservation.

The list then looks like this:

1,850pts Herohammer Space Wolves

HQ 1a) Logan grimnar - 275pts

HQ 1b) Njal Storm Caller in Runic Terminator Armour - 270pts

HQ 2a) Wolf Lord
Thunderwolf Mount, Wolf Tail Talisman, Wooftooth Necklace, Runic Armour, Storm Shield, Thunder Hammer, Saga of the Bear - 275pts

HQ 2a) Wolf Lord
Thunderwolf Mount, Wooftooth Necklace, Runic Armour, Belt of Russ, Wolf Claw, Powerfist, Saga of the Warrior Born - 280pts

Troops 1) 3 Wolf Guard
Space Marine Bike, Power Armour, Storm Shield
1xThunder Hammer; 1xWolf Claw & Melta-Bombs; 1xMark of the Wulfen & Bolt Pistol - 294pts

Troops 2) 3 Wolf Guard
1xArjac Rockfist
2xTerminator Armour (1x2xChainfists; 1xStormshield, Storm Bolter & Mark of the Wulfen)
Dedicated Transport: Drop Pod w/Storm Bolter - 349pts

Fast Attack 1) Thunderwolf Cavalry
Power Armour, Storm Shield, Powerfist - 105pts

Total = 1,848 points
Models = 12
Kill Points = 8

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Please Lord.... no more HeroHammer!!!

Only joking Taak. I do like it... but TWC and biker WG with PA and SS are an obvious target for anything worse than AP4+.
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Auretious Taak · 736 weeks ago

Pish, small arms fire are more dangerous then high strength/AP firepower in this list as everything has an invulnerable save and you just need to torrent on the wounds. Because I ALWAYS get a save, no matter what (except verse some cheaty weapons :p ). We must play on Vassal once I have it set up again BroLo. :D
Which is what he said.
Im sorry, I couldn't read past those first 2 paragraphs.
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Archnomad · 736 weeks ago

+1. I listened to what kirby was saying.
I'm not sure what this means...

"I'm going to pinch his expansion and add in a single Thunderwolf Cavalry model with a Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield, which means cutting points here and there. But that's okay as both Thunderwolf Lords suddenly have another ablative paired wounds not to mention.."

If you mean the Wolf Lords gain some ablative wounds by joining to the TWC, then I'm sad. You clearly didn't learn from the Mephiston Saga. Independant characters cannot join units of 1 model unless said unit is also an IC.

So... your 110pt TWC will die to 6 wounds on avg.. not so great to be honest :(
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He can BroLo. ICs can not join the following:
vehicle or vehicle units
units which ONLY may ever consist of one model
units with a rule against it

This is why Primes can join single Fexes in make 'fexstars' and why Mephy could not join Dante. Since the TWC model has an option for multiple bodies, the IC can happily join him.
Oh.. I apologise profusely then Mr Taak.

I was under the impression that he had to leave when the unit dropped from 2 to 1. My bad.
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willydstyle · 736 weeks ago

Worse army, or worst army?
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Auretious Taak · 736 weeks ago

Legion of the Damned themed army I ran was a worse army. Still a damned nice army to play, I know Chumbalaya won't estimate the resilience of a 3++ and ultra aggressive DS's again. :D
12 models at 1850?
uh...ok, sure.
I hope you don't face anything somewhat shooty...like mech IG, or Razorspam, or Long Fang Spam, or Dark Eldar, or Tau, or Jetbike Seer Council, a pair of Storm Ravens in a BA list, or DA/Templar CML's, or something similar...
If you DO see those lists, I hope they're run by someone who's, uh, 'new-ish, ' and has no idea how to block/speedbump/torrent.
With any luck, you'll face off against 3 Necron Armies, and then it's in the bag.
Unless they know how to block/speedbump/torrent...then yer McF*cked.
Good luck!
Really curious to see how this works out. Really.
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Auretious Taak · 736 weeks ago

Part 1 (KIRBY GET US SOME EXTRA CHARACTERS DAMN IT THIS IS REDICULOUS TO RESPOND IN A BAZILLION PARTS!)

Second army was primarily a gunline list:
http://kirbysblog-ic.blogspot.com/2011/01/3-for-3...

I honestly hope I do face such armies. And Jetbike Seer Councils? They have psychic powers of which I nullify 2/3's of them, and wow, they can boost 24" away from me, I can boost 24" after them or move and assault 19-24", and that's with HALF of my army. Storm Ravens are like anything else, they have a bit of firepower and my entire army sits there with an invulnerable save and takes it like a man, mixed armour/wound units also increase the survivabilityu considerably and if the Storm ravens rush me instead, lord help the fools jumping out to assault me because that's where I NEED to be.
Make an account.
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Auretious Taak · 736 weeks ago

Ahh yeah, I can do that now that I have an actual working computer...will do it later gotta jet to the zoo now. :)
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Auretious Taak · 736 weeks ago

pART 2:

The Herohammer has a suprising amount of speed for 12 models. Also Razorspam and Long Fang Spam should be part of the same list - who are you playing that this isn't the case? Tell them to man up and play Razorspam properly. Static firepower armies, yeah, so what? Blocking et al? So what? I'll just kill the stuff in the way (it's surprisingly easy with massed str 8/10 attacks in combat) or move around it if possible and worthwhile.

I'm not afraid of such armies, I'll take it verse anything, it's a fun army, a challenging army and the fact you and so many other people keep underestimating it and missing the point of the armies just makes me face palm repeatedly.
Oh, chill Taak, I'm just bustin' yer chops.
I really do wish you luck- I would never wish for even the most harebrained schemer to have a bad day.
You believe? Then go get 'em, brother.
Let us know how it went.

Uh...everybody man up and play Razorspam properly ;)
*sigh* and I'm sorry- my first post wasn't phrased in a kind fashion, and I apologize.
Seriously- just bustin' chops.

Have a good tourney.
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Auretious Taak · 735 weeks ago

It's cool, I come off as harsh when typing stuff online. I simply stated there are ways to counter the armies and tactics you mentioned of which speed is one of those things. It's one of the things which throws people, it's small as but it can put out some nice speed if needed.
Logan Grimnar 275
Njal Stormcaller, terminator armour, 270

Wolf Lord, thunder hammer, storm shield, thunderwolf mount, wolf tooth necklace, runic armour, saga of the bear, wolf tail talisman 275

Wolf Lord, wolf claw, storm shield, thunderwolf mount, wolf tooth necklace, runic armour, saga of the warrior born, wolf tail talisman 265

2x Thunderwolf Cavalry, storm shield and meltabomb, storm shield and thunderhammer 195

2x Thunderwolf Cavalry, storm shield and meltabomb, storm shield and thunderhammer 195

5 Wolf Guard Terminator, cyclone storm bolter chain fist, storm bolter power fist, storm bolter wolf claw, storm shield storm bolter mark of the wulfen, power weapon storm bolter 260

5 Wolf Guard Terminator, cyclone storm bolter chain fist, storm bolter power fist, storm bolter wolf claw, storm shield storm bolter mark of the wulfen, power weapon storm bolter 260

Total 1985

It might be playable, although still a tough ask. Drop a thunderwolf unit to reduce the points.
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Drop a thunderwolf from each unit to reduce the points.
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Archnomad · 736 weeks ago

I skipped after the blue stopped. It got scary when the blue went away. T.T
I love the concept and hope you do well!
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Auretious Taak · 736 weeks ago

Part 1:

I'd like to point something out that Kirby missed in the game verse Dennis at Cryx Cup:

[quote]You either have to really outplay me (or anyone as you don't have any ranged firepower; remember you beat Dennis because he multi-assaulted not knowing you were S10), [/quote]

This is untrue. He still would have lost that combat and lost everything EXCEPT FOR THE HARPY. Instead of winning the combat by 12 I would have won it by 10, in any case, all the termagant units in that combat (4 from memory) were wiped out with more wounds from fearless failed then they had to save and the damage still done to the remaining big beasties in there. The Harpies had minimal impact in the game otherwise. Don't under-sell the victory Kirby, you've done it again and again, I had some luck on armour saves sure, but I also played really well and capitalised on the slightest mistakes people made at the event, that is why I managed to win all my games - because I outplayed everyone.
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Auretious Taak · 736 weeks ago

Part 2:

Furthermore: [quote] Those are my own words. It does not mean I will win. Remember I'm not the one to have claimed I win all tourney setting games. In fact, I've never made any claims about my playing ability.[/quote]

Except in the car after our game at Hornsby Mr. I'm still undefeated! :p ;)

The thing with 3++ is that NONE of us have stated we are gods gift to 40k. None of us prance around saying we are the best and everyone else sucks. None of us suffer from head so far up our ass it shoots out our mouth syndrome commonly referred to as The Stelek Syndrome (Reapers and Swooping hawks? WTF!). I freely admit my own weaknesses and again and again it's emphasised in the deployment phase for me, I ALWAYS screw it up.
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Auretious Taak · 736 weeks ago

Part 3: Couple other things too. This is why 3++ is the New Black is such a good blog, because all the authors admit that they know some things and don't know others and that you can't claim to be the best player or in the top tiers of play in a system that isn't unified in the approach to play (unlike say Starcraft II where there are distinct levels of playmanship and the approach to playing the game is unified - there's no comp or no-comp considerations in these games, no people p;laying in a non-comp environment prancing around claiming that they are better on a competitive and skilled general level then those who play in a comp environment when we all know it isn't true {watch the flame war begin}).
The point was the multi-assaulting. Multi-assaulting with Nids has to be done very carefully or you whole army explodes from Fearless saves.

Re: car. Ya, pretending to be a douche after Vince pointed out I hadn't lost since Lords of Terra even though I've played what 20 games? That's unusual at not the norm and certainly nothing like this:

"I got bored of winning all my games when I put my mind to it and ran strong Competitively Balanced Armies, so i wanted something different." from http://kirbysblog-ic.blogspot.com/2011/01/heroham...

People haven't said it's crap because you played it in a comp environment. They are saying it's crap in general as a competitive list. For fluff or just lol factor, it's a great idea though if you beat people who whine about things...prepare for whining. The issue is when people do criticise it you come across as not listening. Ever. You may think you do but you generally do not.

To be clear, I'm not taking anything from your win over Dennis. Capitalising on your opponent's mistakes is how you win 40k so you get kudos for that. Rather, it's not a validation of the list.
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Auretious Taak · 736 weeks ago

You need to spend more time in the chat bawks Kirby, people have stated that it's crap and that I'm crap as a player because I play in a comp environment which i find amusing seeing as we both live in the same area and can play in the same tournaments...and fair point on the 'not listening' part. Out of curiosity, can you define what you mean by a validation of the list in this context? If it continues to win reliably (above 50% for example of games) would it be validated as an army? Or are we thinking and saying different things?

To the car after Hornsby, you will note my emotes and the playful comments there. Why so serious?
To me validating the army would be binning it :P. But yes going to events like Event Horizon/Centurion/NOVA and winning 60%+ (there are scrubs at these tournaments whether we like it or not so you should on average, win a bit higher than 50% as your first rounds are loaded). I've said it before regarding Orks and I'll say it with this, if armies consistently place in the top percentage of these type of tournaments, I'm happy to listen to the results. There's still a huge amount of issue with them in terms of validity (MoD where the hell is that article!@??!?!?!?!?!) but in terms of what you can control, NOVA styled tournaments are particularly good in that regard.

It's the Internet. I have to be serious...
"there are scrubs at these tournaments whether we like it or not"
Scrubs like me :D
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Auretious Taak · 736 weeks ago

Part 4: [quote]What the quote means is it won't prove anything. You either have to really outplay me (or anyone as you don't have any ranged firepower; remember you beat Dennis because he multi-assaulted not knowing you were S10), or have insane dice/my dice are terribad. It's not just me who's saying this. If you win you prance around going look it works lalalala and continue ignoring all criticisms to list (which is the main issue here). [/quote]

I'm not ignoring the criticisms, you'll note that I was one of the first people to list all the criticisms of the list myself, I know the strengths (it gets to combat, you die) and I certainly know the weaknesses as there are a bugger load. I prance around alot, so what? This is me, it happens with lots of things. The original 1750pt list worked surprisingly well in a comp environment, winning 3 games so close to tabling each opponent isn't just blind luck there and not just skillmanship of play, there are elements which make it a very strong army especially against some forces out there, others you crap yourself in deployment and hope you make it to turn two.
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Auretious Taak · 736 weeks ago

Part 5: When I mentioned you heap alot of crap on it, it's for reasons like this above - I didn't win against Dennis because he fluffed a massed combat which he would have lost anyways instead of 3 attacks onto the Harpy hitting on a 3+ and wounding on a 2+ that would have been 3 easily killable termagants instead which still would have reaped up the combat res in my favour high enough to still win that combat and break the armies back so to speak.

WTF IS UP WITH SWEET F ALL AMOUNT OF CHARACTERS TO RESPOND WITH FFS!
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Auretious Taak · 736 weeks ago

Part 6: It feels to me as if you are just selling me short on the list and my achievements with the list. I played in a comp environment so people (not just you) have stated that it is crap and that the victories don't mean anything because oh no, there's no actual competitive play done in a comped environment, no, not at all! It's the fact that I played well with the list I thought about how I approached each turn and each game and did a good job with it. Yet it's just scorned because it's sweet bugger all models that is so far left field that it doesn't make sense...again, this is me, I like a good challenge, there's no point rocking up to a tournament with an army that will table everything if you want to challenge yourself. You and me Kirby, we approach the game differently in how we look at it and play it, I play a stupidly stupid small elite Logan Wing list and do okay with it, the new computer is set up so i can start playing Vassal again which means more games (even if onoly Vassal Games) with the list, it's something different, something that takes skill to use because every single game you head into it already having lost unless you play exceedingly well.
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Auretious Taak · 736 weeks ago

Part 7: [quote]If I win...yay I spent a couple hours of my life doing what exactly? I cannot foresee myself having fun because of these outcomes so why would I submit myself to it? Ergo, exercise in futility; not I'm gonna win so what's the point.
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Playing a game and maybe learning something from it? Emperor knows, I've learnt a few more refined tricks playing the list and I know a few people have learnt some more general approaches when facing Loganwing no matter how avant guarde it is.

Cheers all,

Taak.

P.S. I'm looking forwards to messing with the above refined list, slightly different to the 1750pt version in how it plays, so it should be interesting in any case.
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Auretious Taak · 736 weeks ago

P.P.S. I like how someone has nerd raged and put a -1 on ALL of my posts. :p
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Apparently someone else did and put a -2 lol
Stop posting bible-length rants all over.
What the fuck did I just read?

It's a hilarious army concept and looks like a lot of fun to play, but we all know it's not a competitive army.
HQ 2a) Wolf Lord
Thunderwolf Mount, Wooftooth Necklace, Runic Armour, Belt of Russ, Wolf Claw, Powerfist, Saga of the Warrior Born - 280pts

- What is the deal with this guy? How could Wolf Claw + Powerfist possibly be a good idea? Way too many points for a tiny bit of extra flexibility (and you need to do maths about which of three different options is best each combat, blah!). Just because the theme is having rediculously expensive things doesn' t mean you have to flush points down the toilet. Oh wait I just realised you have one guy with 2x chainfists.. o.0

I think I could have a red hot go against this with my Arc list (which is 1200 points).
i was reading through here, and i couldnt help but notice how you had the wolf guard as troops choices, but when i read through my clubs copy of the space wolves codex, i saw that they were an elite choice, am i missing something or does this army list really contain no troop choices at all?
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Logan makes Wolf Guard troops.
ok i missed the little side box, but i see it now
It's a pure rock list: it intends to drop itself in the enemy's face and punch them to death. It's not even a particularly good rock list, because it doesn't have an effective means to deliver the Lord (or Logan, etc) to the enemy. What happens if you fight an enemy hammer unit (a real one)? You lose, because five TH/SS will wreck most of your guys. Or how about the Swarmlord? Multiple units of Assault Marines on the charge? Or any of the other strong assault unit. Hell, what happens if you roll three ones on saves?

Against people who don't know how to block, delay, and shoot you, you'll probably be able to pull off wins, but you have very few scoring units and are vulnerable to... well a whole lot of things. I can get behind the concept of Herohammer, but I don't think it's a good army and this isn't really even the best way to build it.
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I'm curious as to how it will go against Halberd-heavy GK armies. Striking first with Force Weapons will surely ruin his day.
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Thrungrom · 736 weeks ago

As a SW player myself, i am convinced this is utterly fail. Yes, u can win some games with this list. But not consistently.
Anyhow i find it diffucult myself to include Logan in armies myself, just like BTF.
I would always run LF with Logan + CML.
A victory's a victory. That's not the problem.
If anyone claims otherwise, laugh at them.

The problem is that this blog is primarily about competitive gaming in warhams grimdark.
I win all the time with my grey knights on foot, but that's not a competitive list, and EVERYBODY here knows this. Just like yours isn't competitive, either, Taak.
It's a low-model rock, with firepower issues - like my GK army. Both are good for a laugh, and while you can beat face with either of them, that's not gonna happen against balanced lists, or even unbalanced paper armies, ran by good players.

Ergo, reading more rants about 'herohammer: mark XXII' isn't interesting to most of the readerbase.
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Behemothh · 736 weeks ago

Hey, you cant Jaws/Foehammer from the same unit on turn one. Shooting happens simultaneously from within the same unit, so you can't Hammer THEN jaws. You just hammer and Jaws, and the trygon stays at I4.

Nice try, and for the love of christ, stop the hero hammer.
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Auretious Taak · 735 weeks ago

FAQ makes the Foehammer wounds reduce initiative in shooting phase. that said, what you say is true. I am pretty sure i can separate off from the unit from the drop pod as it deploys to the field though so if that's true, it's still an option to foehammer, reduce initiative at range then jaws the now Initiative 1 model. Will follow it up when i can find my rulebook but pretty sure that's still able to be done.
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wisdom like silence · 736 weeks ago

Taak I like your ideas, as in I think they're interesting, but for the love of God can we get a battle report next instead of another army building article? I think we all understand your reasoning now. :P
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Auretious Taak · 735 weeks ago

I have this new shiny computer so shall have to verse people on vassal, maybe BroLo because our last game was this epic 4 way fight to the death 1k pt'er with single central objective that lasted 14 hours...so much fun...so yeah will have to do a vassal bat rep at some point as time in person is suddenly restricted as...

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