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Sunday, March 20, 2011

Forumitis: "WAAAAAAAAAARD!"

 
'Finished Article!' - Please read again.
Warning! A huge battleship approaches!

"I don't like Ward. He spits on the fluff, all his characters are Mary Sues, and the rules he makes are all shit!"

"Waaaaaaah! Ward stole all the units no one used from the witch hunters codex!"

"OH MY GOD! HOW DARE HE ABUSE THE WORD 'PSY!?'"

The standing opinion of nerdculture as a whole is that Mat Ward ruined warhams FOREVER!!!! He's committing historical rape on the background, and it's our duty as fine, upstanding, high-born citizens to rise up against him before he destroys the venerable lore, sinking it further and further into the abyss of absurdity.
Could you ever take a game that has chainsword warriors seriously? I sure couldn't. That's unthinkable. Unspeakable, even. Chainsword warriors. You ever even heard of such a thing?

Come, now! Chainsword warrior's a god damn stupid name for a game. It's a game Ward could have invented.
Probably involve a lot of dice, muscular men, chainswords, starship trooper knock-offs, big guns, and 80's character design.

Oh! You said chainsaw warrior! Yeah, that was a great game, man. Remember the loveletters we used to write the designers, because we loved dice, muscular men, chainswords, starship trooper knock-offs, big guns, and 80's character design? Ah, the memories.

Things were so much easier when you knew what you were getting. None of this 'space marine tactical squad'-deal. Kids these days. Once in a blue moon do they make their marines into tacticals.
Always the sternguard, honorguard, vanguard, guardmiguard, devastators, devastatorguard, and - what the hell? Characters!? Out of my tactical marines!? Next up, you're gonna tell me you can mix and match parts, creating truly unique models. Blasphemy!

Alas, this article is about stupid people, chanting a stupid mantra to each other, infecting the internet, and spreading like a wildfire. It's more contagious than dark angels whine, deadlier than tyranidocopts, and the symptoms disable with a certainty that's far beyond even the scope of eldarleetismis.

Ward fever.
Few things scare neckbeards of both genders more than baths and shaves, but Ward fever is one of few.
Where Ward treads, history dies. The poor ultramarines, still not yet ready to recover from the savage rape and vile, unspeakable, utterly nazi-evil act of...

Giving them actual background!
Everybody knows that no man, living or dead, may venture into such things. The fluff is as pure as the first flakes of snow.
If you must ask, you're not worthy to add to it.
It's a great cog, ever keeping the machine producing money - that which is everywhere, yet nowhere. An unspeakable amount of reverence must be held for this sacredest of all sacred writings that could ever be considered sacred.

The fluff's so sacred, it's sacrededededed, and stamped with Jervis' seal of approval.
It's beyond reproach. Perfected and legendary. Suitable for all men and women of refined taste - and british.

The fluff is...about chainsword warriors, who are alpha males, utterly slaughtering everything in their way - man, woman, child, alien, and alien child with equal fervor.
They're the space marines, and they will crush you, because it's how they were written twenty years ago.

What about the emprah?
The emprah's fluff is so poorly written, GW paid a huge sum of money to have it rewritten, starting late 2006 (horus heresy series). It's yet to come full circle.
Fact is, GW doesn't bring out the emprah unless they really, really need to. If Abaddon, Marneus, or even Sanguinius won't fit the bill, they'll default to random iron hands commander #771 over the emprah.
You might say it's GW's old shame. It's a bit like how Square and Enix don't want to talk about its adult titles from ages past, despite those titles keeping them afloat for many years, and why you won't find chainsaw warrior or Judge Dredd the roleplaying game mentioned by GW.

Being a modern warhams player, all the above are just expected. Like dark angels and tyranids whining eternally about whatever, Ward fever is part of everyday life on places like warseer.
People will indeed cite 'fluff rape,' or claim that 'it' happens to be an abomination to science/bad taste/Jervis' legacy/the source of war in africa. Anything goes with Ward.
Sometimes, it feels like the whiners were personally wronged by Ward on a criminal level.

Ward fever's so severe and all-powerful, it's mutated. Instead of hating ultramarines, people now hate Ward. No, that's not a change for the better.

Now, for the meat of this special edition of forumitis: Ward's good, and you don't know what you're talking about.
"But how can this be!? The man rapes fluff like Mortal kombat with no fatalities!"

But he doesn't.

Draigo's not the final word in demon-killing; no, that would be warhams fantasy's Teclis.
The first everchosen, Bel'akor, got himself and his entire legion of demons poofed in moments to one elf, yet this is 'cool,' but Draigo using secret, ritualized magic to subdue one demon prince isn't?
"Yes, that's how it is! Teclis was made by Gav and Jervis, so it's automatically cooler!"

When Teclis isn't poofing demons, he's floating above other elves, burninating and zapping entire armies of them with a gaze. Yes, really. He's so powerful, not even the witchking can stop him - a ten-thousand year old sorcerer, with magical iron as his skin, and some 9000 years more of experience.
Why is Teclis this powerful? Who knows.
Is it ever properly explained? Well, he was really sickly and weedy, so he got taken in by this loremaster dude, and it turns out he was the Mozart of magic! So he got himself a pimp hat, a cane with a naked chick on (pimpcane), and forged himself a sword from unobtanium, that he used to beat down a keeper of secrets!

Oh, wait - Ward's supposed to be the one who makes Mary Sues. I forgot!

You say Marneus Calgar, I say Pask. Then you realize you've got no ground to stand on, and attack an original the character (do not steal!) instead. Fair enough.
Pask (guardsman codex, page 58) versus Vulkan. Look upon that terrible writing.

For every modern Dante you pull, I counter with old Dante. You know, the guy who was awesome at everything, never lost, never stopped fightning, had no thoughts, no history, and was chaptermaster because he'd always been chaptermaster.
New Dante even has fluff clauses that tell us the old, bad Gav fanwank might not have happened, while fleshing out things.

No, Sanguinior's not a valid target. He's Celestine with less boobage.
No, Sicarius' not a valid target, either. The point of him is to be regal, blinged-out, and too focused on personal honor to properly do his job.

Speaking of bad fluff, it's hard not to bring up the crowbarred necron c'tan, happy-happy, best friends forever-demons, three imperial guard codices, or the 4th edition chaos marine book. I'm gonna play it fair, however, and won't talk about the 3rd edition dark eldar codex. If I did that, i'd win too easily.

For all the whining, you have to ask yourself the most important question.
If Ward's so terribly bad, why's he still employed by GW? More importantly, why is Ward in charge of all the cashcows?

The answer is, of course: because Ward is exceptionally good at what he does.

Unlike Pask, Lucas the trickster, swarmlord, Teclis, or Mephiston, what Draigo does is perfectly fine for his faction.
He's the grandmaster of all grandmasters, the boss of a secret, highly ritualized and specialized elite force - one that focuses on destroying demons and chaotic influences.
This isn't magical vampire Mephy, who's got the awesome power to defy one of his book's defining traits 'just because.' It's not a sickly elf who automagically becomes the master of magic.

Draigo doesn't have a throbbing demon sword, or chant 'kill for the sake of killing!' Draigo beats down demons.
As you'd expect from the master of demonslaying, he's very good at what he does, but if you actually - you know - read the rest of the fluff, you'll realize he can't beat up primarchs unless he does certain things first. What things?
Well, he needs to know the demon's true name, chant the 666 rites of resistance, recite the words of banishment, and strike the demon's highly symbolic weak spot (heart, an eye, magic rune, cut off a toe) using his cast-iron sword, inlaid with shards of silver. If he does all of this, he still needs a steel will and faith to send the demon in question back to warp for X-tiy years and a day.
"Why's that not explained in his entry!?" Because the whole book is about it, silly people. Weren't you the masters of fluff?

Because Ward loves drama and tension, he made a demonlord banish Draigo himself to the warp. Wow, a twist! Bet he kicks ass in the warp all day long, right?
The grandmaster of grandmasters, stuck in his enemy's base, killing his dudes forever!
No, not quite.

The end result is more like king Sisyphus and the rock than Mephy and the castle.
Yes, he kills a gazillion demons daily, but because they're all in the warp, he can't banish them anywhere. Any damage Draigo inflicts regrows almost instantly.

"I still dont like it! It's not as cool as the old fluff!" Yeah, I guess there's a certain charm to having Gav turn everybody into Cable, and Jervis' self-insert Abaddon making grand and epic speeches, proclaiming 'you have failed me!' and promptly gun down his minions.

I don't know about you, but I much prefer badass heroes to cartoon villains with daddy issues. It helps when they have badass quotes, backstory, and don't wield throbbing demon swords. Always a nice bonus to see them stick to their faction's golden rules, too.

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Plus_Four · 732 weeks ago

What garbage!
Forward to BoLS...
1 reply · active 732 weeks ago
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Auretious Taak · 732 weeks ago

But Kirby writes for BoLS too...and this being Kirby's home base, it seems rather fitting don't you think that it gets posted here.
Everyone knows Ward didn't ruin 40k.
Cruddace did by being unable to write codexes of consistent power level.

OK, now that's out of the way (I had do to it b/c I accidentally used to contribute to Ward hate back when I had him and Cruddace mixed up), I thoroughly agree that the emperor's fluff sucks.

Other than that, though, this article was pretty bad. Some parts "This is Antares..." didn't even make any sense, and I don't feel like I gained anything from reading this.
5 replies · active 731 weeks ago
A good rant can end well and make sense. This one was just a short rant about, well, not much really, now we all know that people don't like Ward because he 'ruined' the game. That's about it really.
It's only half the rant.
Problem Solved :D
How are Ward Codices even remotely consistent? At least Tyranids and the IG are two altogether different armies with different playstyles, but the three Space Marine books Ward wrote stand by their lack of coherence (GK Riflemen vs Vanilla Riflemen being the most obvious example).

I don't think he's worse than the horrible 3rd Edition writers, but he's hardly a good designer either. His 5th Edition Vanilla book isn't uncompetitive, but its internal balance is horrible and most Power Armoured units are at best slightly overpriced, at worse, plain horrible. And the fluff he writes is barely readable.
I don't know anything about fluff for any game, but as far as Mat Ward goes, he killed WFB first with ludicrously unbalanced DoC and then with 8th ed. I'm surprised he still works at GW.

Garbage, vitriolic, pointless article. 0/10.
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Fronckels · 732 weeks ago

Guys, I believe the writer does not believe that Ward ruined the game. He wants to underline the sillyness of Ward hate in internet forums by using irony.
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b. smoove · 732 weeks ago

...when the literal meaning is the opposite of the intended.
I can't believe I read this entire post hoping to get anything useful from it. That seems to be the rule rather than the exception for posts from VT2.
This is an article how?

Crying about other people crying is equally annoying. Then the readers get drug into it, and now we are crying about people crying about people crying and we become that 'other' website and then....aaaugh...feth...need beer, less thinking. Brain ow.
1 reply · active 732 weeks ago
That's because it's a draft - not an article.
No, I don't know why it's posted.

Investigating now.
This is the least coherent "article" I've ever read. VT2, smoke less drugs before writing please.
5 replies · active 732 weeks ago
Seriously man, vt2 is the charlie sheen of the warhammer blogosphere.
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Handbag of Joy · 732 weeks ago

You mean wrongly idolized for his erratic and self destructive behavior? ZING!
No, it's a draft, one I didn't set to be posted, because it's not even finished.
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Auretious Taak · 732 weeks ago

Do what I do and in the title write WIP - DO NOT PUBLISH YET KIRBY! Then repeat it in the first line of the article body itself. Seems to work spiffyily.
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Auretious Taak · 732 weeks ago

More incoherent then me trying to explain my thoughts on making an army list step by step Katie? Wow, that's harsh. Just blame it on the fact Vt2 is from Sweden and the world becomes a happy place! :p
lame
Terrible article, unfunny, confusing and, though well intentioned, completely overdone. I think I see the point, but the delivery was god awful. Take this one back to the drawing board.
1 reply · active less than 1 minute ago
It is the drawing board.
Wow, this is worse than the shit on BoLS

People need to remember about how unbalanced the past editions of 40K have been. 5th ed and Ward's codex are solid and there's so many truly viable lists and army out there now
I can't see much wrong with the Emperor's fluff. The carrion lord of mankind to whom a thousand souls are sacrificed every day, ruling from his golden throne? It's cool enough.
Ward writes good rules but poor fluff.
1 reply · active less than 1 minute ago
The emperor's origin is really stupid.

"There were like, these thousands of shamans and they were, like, guiding humanity, but then they couldn't so they, like, all died and reincarnated into one dude and he was thousands of years old when the Imperium started and he was the best guy ever and..." ugh

I LOVE the idea that the Emperor was a powerful Psyker who was pro-technology and anti-religion. But that origin... ugh.
I think VT2 is trying to say people are complaining about Ward and he's ruining the game when he isn't.

And those pink comments are not mine this time *glares at VT2*.
2 replies · active 732 weeks ago
Why was this posted!? I even set it to 2013 :(
At least I won't be bored this morning.
I didn't post it (to be honest...I wouldn't of haha, you know I read posts before they get posted regardless :P)! Blame blogger :@ .
So this was a straw man rant about people who have valid complaints about Ward, but it was easier to just complain about them than listen to what they were really saying?

Awesome.
One of the very, very few submissions to this blog that I've gained absolutely nothing from.
1 reply · active 732 weeks ago
I don' think there's a lot to be gained from reading a half-finished draft that obviously lacks the content part.
If this was a rant I'm still not sure what it was about...
Why's a half-finished draft of mine posted as an article?
3 replies · active 732 weeks ago
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abortedsoul · 732 weeks ago

THIS ARTICLE IS BAD AND SEEMS UNFINISHED. GOD WHAT DID YOU DO, POST A DRAFT? WTF FAIL.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD!!!!
i counter with the bit where the necrons teamed up with the blood angels to fight tyranids and left peacefully afterwards
It's no secret that this particular blog is only about "duh winning". You guys obviously don't care what happens with the fluff anyway, so why even write (very poorly) about it?
6 replies · active 732 weeks ago
Yes, we only ever win here.
Even when obvious drafts end up posted, we still win.
Please, you're just a douche... stop trying to cover it up. It makes you look like even more of a douche than you already are.
That's true, nobody cares about fluff here. Even worse: we hate it! That's what you want to hear don't you.

That's like me saying: You don't like challenging games, because you like fluff.

Well allright, I don't care what happens with the fluff personally actually, but that aside. (in the next Marine codex Marneus Calgar can personally shove both his Fists up in 2 Greater Deamons their asses, I honestly wouldn't care. Oh hey and sucking the Corpse his dick while doing that!)
I don't hate fluff, and I don't think this blog is all about winning either. It's more like "we're ok with fluff but we don't write up stupid lists because of it".
I think Joe had his sarcasm stick going :P. But good point all the same.
Sarcasm? I can't apply that with my Dutch English online writing accent :P Alright it was sarcasm, pretty obvious sacrasm actually :o
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charlie sheen · 732 weeks ago

#winning
Aye Charlie Sheen! Zing!11!
I can't wait to see how the content improves the draft. I hope the author can forgive my skepticism, though.
I look forward to reading the whole article :)
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abortedsoul · 732 weeks ago

He went on a rant, got a bad reaction and some hatemail and then immediately marked it as a "draft". For shame.

Honestly, though, I do look forward to reading the whole thang.
2 replies · active 732 weeks ago
Uhh, no. It really is a draft
That's why it only had two pics when it was 'posted,' and doesn't even talk about Ward. Waffling, but no content.
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abortedsoul · 732 weeks ago

Obvious sarcasm is disappoint.

Thanks for updating it, looking forward to the next installment soon.
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Ilmarinen · 732 weeks ago

Ok, it's a draft and I see the point you're trying to make, but it's still a rambling piece of nonsense. I would like to point out that you used the word 'nazi' and have therefore automatically lost all credibility (Godwin's Law, 1990).

Also, am I the only person on the internet that thinks the abundant use of the word 'rape' is morally abhorrent?! It's perfectly possible to describe losing badly or damaging the background, without having to refer to a horrific crime.
5 replies · active 731 weeks ago
But it's Draft! :p

If it really is a "draft" then it should of been taken down ASAP, it's not that hard.
Speak for yourself.
Now it's proper, so all is well with the world.
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Guestivus · 732 weeks ago

You're not the only one, no. But apparently the ability to express ourselves is lacking.
Well, the three of us can not use it :)

Maybe the others will notice?
lol
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Guestivus · 731 weeks ago

I've only been trying that for some three+ years now.
Sigh.
I got the jist of the article the first time. It is like a generation thing with the Matt Ward whiners. It's like your parants critising new music and living in the 60's/70's and telling you how how much better everything was back then (rose tinted goggles) even though it wasnt.

I like most of Wards stuff, good rant very apt. :)
1 reply · active less than 1 minute ago
Reminds me of Star Wars. Older fans despise what happened to the old films and how the new films are so terrible. Younger Star Wars don't give a crap about anything.
Well as a civilized human being I obviously waited untill the whole article was done. (obvious draft was obvious, really people)

It's actually okay now ^^ No really, this was perfectly readable. It's not like it's a revolutionary article proving all opposition wrong, but that's okay.

I can't imagine why people would make such a big deal about a piece of fluff anyway. Just look at the amount of books which are so poorly written, there is little left to destroy for Matt Ward :D
1 reply · active 732 weeks ago
MULTILASERS!

Alright, now that's out of the way, let me point out that the Obvious Draft was not obvious too all of us. Yeah I thought it was poorly written/proofread for this Blog, but I've seen worse final articles on BoLS.
It's done.
I was loving this new article, and then you dissed the C'tan.

Seriously? I thought that creating a REASON why the supercliched "old ones" weren't around anymore was sweet. And it added another major villain that ISN'T ported from WHFB.
Looking better now :D good rant btw, backed with tons of facts.
Gavin Thorpe has written his fair share of mediocre fluff, but it's nowhere as terrible as Ward's ramblings. I don't mind authors bringing new ideas, or larger than life super heroes, but Ward's background is poorly written, unimaginative, and lacks the irony of the Dark Eldar or the IG books.

I mean, I'm not aroused in the slightest by the story of the Sanguinor falcon punching a Blood Thirsterthanks to his "musculous might". What should have read like a mythological tale ends up looking like a shoddily-written sentai.
2 replies · active 708 weeks ago
Psst.
Jervis and Gav wrote Doomrider.
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brotheroracle · 708 weeks ago

Doomrider has a posse.
A much better rant, but not sure it was really necessary. I don't know who wrote any of the books, because I don't give a hoot. Yeah that's right, I don't care. Shoot me.
1 reply · active 732 weeks ago
Bang Bang... still love you though <3
When's the finished draft go up?
The thing with fluff vs rules is i can write my own fluff but i can't write my own rules.
4 replies · active 722 weeks ago
Can't really see why not. The perceived validity of both works on the same social mechanics.
Oh snap. Probably the most insightful post I've read today.
Kind of. The fluff doesn't actually affect how your units play, so it doesn't really matter whether they have these terrible powers of enemy slaying in it or not. The rules are the same, so it doesn't affect the gameplay. You have to know someone a lot better before trusting that the rules they write will be balanced.
Well, sure, but in both cases, it's up to me to determine if I think someone's work is worthwhile or not. This site, fore example, goes to some lengths to dismiss tournaments with alternate rules, which they feel are problematic. Similarly, VT2 couldn't write a worthwhile article to save his life, so I don't listen to him. ;)
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The Lieutenant · 732 weeks ago

"As you'd expect from the master of demonslaying, he's very good at what he does, but if you actually - you know - read the rest of the fluff, you'll realize he can't beat up primarchs unless he does certain things first. What things?
Well, he needs to know the demon's true name, chant the 666 rites of resistance, recite the words of banishment, and strike the demon's highly symbolic weak spot (heart, an eye, magic rune, cut off a toe) using his cast-iron sword, inlaid with shards of silver. If he does all of this, he still needs a steel will and faith to send the demon in question back to warp for X-tiy years and a day.
"Why's that not explained in his entry!?" Because the whole book is about it, silly people. Weren't you the masters of fluff?"

No. Actually, that's not what Matt said. What he said was that Draigo is currently pimping round the Warp, kicking the hell out of random Greater Daemons, burning down cities and jungles created by the various Chaos gods, and is apparently immune to death.
That's not the same thing whatsoever.

And don't compare Ward's fluff to Greek mythology. Please.
I disagree with the claim that the old fluff was worse. The more I think about it, the more 40k is just pretty silly. Every now and then there's pathos or tragedy or something else that may pass for good storytelling, but the vast, vast majority of it is just a pile of nonsense, and I'm also pretty certain that the staff writers are probably literate enough to realise it and run with it.

Re: Greek myths. One reason we think of them as anything aside from populist tripe designed to stretch out your story with stock phrases so that the landowner you're singing at decides it's worth keeping you around another night to see where the tale goes is because generations of other people have written about it and thought about it. Fascination builds on itself.
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abortedsoul · 732 weeks ago

All I have to say is- gushing plasma.
Gushing plasma, rosy-fingered dawn. Neither grabs me.
It's not that I have a problem with Ward. I have a problem with the fluff escalation into silly territory. The idea that Brian Boitano, I'm sorry, I meant Draigo, runs around the warp destroying daemons is fine. The idea that he is trouncing through and the chaos powers are afraid of him is downright silly.

Single handedly swinging battles is cool. Single handedly winning impossible wars is a stretch of any imagination.
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>The idea that he is trouncing through and the chaos powers are afraid of him is downright silly.
They aren't. nothing says the gods themselves even pay attention to him. Let me paint you a picture.

The Warp is a vast, almost unimaginably sprawling plane which boarders onto infinity. Many people when they first think about it find it hard to grasp infinity, as they imagine as large as they can. They must then realise that is but a drop in an ocean, and then measure it from there, and so on and so on. Draigo in this warp is a single spec of sand in the universe that the water can't erode.

>Single handedly swinging battles is cool. Single handedly winning impossible wars is a stretch of any imagination.
Except he isn't. If you read his fluff, it does kinda clearly state that no matter what he does is utterly pointless. His 'eternal war' is basically his own existance being trapped in the Warp, unable to return to the living world. Sure, he kicks daemon ass by the gallon, but if you haven't noticed this is probably just a whole bunch of lesser daemons. He was almost beaten by a greater daemon once, remember this.

The war against chaos is pointless. Everything he does regrows back or simply ignores him. He is damned to live a life away from mortality. He achieves nothing. He is a joke of the Chaos gods, and they find him entertaining enough.
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Liberate tutame · 731 weeks ago

I read the article thinking it was still a draft. Certainly the worst article on 3++. Having siad that I think the intertubes realises that Ward writes balanced and interesting army lists, but his fluff is pitiful. '5 Orks died in as many seconds', the awkward shoehorning of The Sanguinor and Necron and BA brofisting into the fluff as well as 'THE DARKEST HOUR' out of nowhere with Dante allying with Xenos near to Baal. This is not to say that Ward is the first one to write bad fluff or 40k stuff (GOTO!!!), but his writing is terrible. And trying to defend it results in that abortion of an article I just read.
This is BOLS-flavored crap. Why even waste time writing a pointless article like this, much less publishing it? VT2 just got "ignored."
2 replies · active 731 weeks ago
Door's to your left.
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Warboss Stalin · 731 weeks ago

Hope it crushes your throat when you leave.
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Warboss Stalin · 731 weeks ago

While I thought Brent was whinney and spews meandering clap-trap, VT-2 just exceeded my low expectations.
4 replies · active 731 weeks ago
Don't say such horrible things about Brent. He is awesome and we love him.
Yes we do!
myballs->yourchin
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Warboss Stalin · 731 weeks ago

Go back to watching your Cop Rock. tapes
Ward is not good on the fluff end of things but his rules tend to be solid for the most part unlike Cruddace. While I do not like fluff murder I will take solid rules and crappy fluff over solid fluff and crappy rules any day. I just want to know why we cannot have decent fluff and rules at the same time? :^)
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Dr. Mostly Worm · 731 weeks ago

Just compare Karamazov entry to the old one and you'll see what is lost on translation from old to the new. Ward's fluff lacks interesting details. It is mostly a combination of godlike feats by the character in question and all too often the entries end with an "intriguing" mystery. Is Dante the sergeant that the Sanguinor saved all those years ago? Is Dante part of the prophecy? What is bugging Mephiston? etc... But in all honesty, other writers fail too. The super cool long fangs making bets in the middle of the firefight were one of the stupidest things I've read in a while. So all in all, I would think Wards bad reputation fluffwise mainly comes from the Ultramarines codex, that supposedly featured other Space Marines too...
My big problem (and the only problem really worth considering) with Ward is not what he wrote, but what he didn't write. Specifically, he did not write much for the Iron Hands. The Ultramarines have (if I recall) 12 pages of fluff, image spreads, etc. Now, don't get me wrong, much of that fluff is good, or at least readable, and the image spreads are beautiful. But then we look at the Iron Hands' presence in Codex: SM. They have a story. Okay, sounds good, until you read the story. They purge a bunch of Chaos. Awesome. Then they purge a third of the humans in the sector. As an Iron Hands enthusiast, I'm not a big fan of our much-lauded victory consisting of more civilian casualties than enemies. Yes, relentless, yes, merciless, but really?

Okay, so I'm not happy with the story, but whatever. It might just be a matter of personal taste.

Then you look at the section where he gives the rundown on a bunch of other Codex chapters. Hey look, founding Legions get sidebars! Sweet! There's the Fists. There's the Scars. Raven Guard. Sallies. Crimson Fists. Wait... did I miss something? *Flips back through* No sidebar for Iron Hands. What? *Scans more closely.* Oh. There's the Iron Hands. With an info blurb the size of the Doom Legion. Do you know who the Doom Legion is? Neither does ANYBODY ELSE. Well, whatever. The Hands have always lacked fluff. I'll just console myself with a glance at the army list.

Let's see... six Ultramarines characters. Okay, this is Codex: Codex Marines. No surprise. That's like having half a dozen Cadian characters in C:IG. Raven Guard. Fists. Fists. Scars. Sallies...
Wait...
SERIOUSLY?
So not only did I get the short end of the stick on fluff... I also didn't get a special character? And I swear, the next person who tells me "Master of the Forge is the Iron Hands character" is getting strangled with a guitar string. MotF fits well with Iron Hands... and also with Imperial Fists, who are a defensive, shooty Chapter. And Ultramarines, who are the basis of the book. And Salamanders, who revere Dreadnoughts more than most other chapters. Ultramarines get Superu Robotu Chapulainu Cassius, but you can't make, say, a special MotF for the Hands? I have to wait until IA: Badab 2 for something resembling an Iron Hands character. When it comes to showing some love to an underrepresented Chapter, counts-as does not count.

I'm not asking for much. Just a named character, a page of fluff, maybe an extra point of WS and a master-crafted servo-harness, and if you're feeling REALLY generous an alternate Techmarine sculpt. Something to show you that the X Legion was considered for more than half an hour when you were writing the book. Because, as a fan of the Iron Hands, and the creator of a homebrewed successor Chapter to same, I really feel like I didn't get that.

And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is what really gets my goat about Matt Ward.
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brotheroracle · 708 weeks ago

Mat Ward grinds my gears.

But at least you Iron Hands get that conversion pack with the nifty bionic bits.
Ward is still working for GW because people keep buying his crap (i acknowledge him as the main responsible for SM (i refer here to loyalists SM of every kind, except DA and BT) codex creep and the excesive fluff that a SM will crush you no matter you are a carnifex or a super agile archon). If suddenly codexes written by Matt Ward would drop their sales considerably, Ward would surely be fired and replaced.

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