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Sunday, March 13, 2011

Why Use Vassal?



Learning Vassal is not exactly easy (although this may be useful to newbies...); so why bother? It's not really representative of 40K because you don't learn important skills like judging distances, assessing the battlefield from a proper perspective, playing for speed, moving and positioning units correctly, etc. So what's the point? There are several, really.

1. Your schedule

Yeah, yours. And also that of the FLGS you go to for games. Now, maybe you're lucky and your store is open until 8 or 9 PM and you never have any problem getting a game in, but for many of us, scheduling our life around plastic spacemans is just not feasible with work, school, etc. Vassal doesn't care about any of that- any time you get on, there are probably some folks from somewhere in the world looking for a game, and if you're hanging around the 3++ Chatbawks you can probably even find some folks who aren't jerks.

2. Reviewing Games

This one is easily overlooked, but I find it invaluable. Unless you are compulsive-obsessively filming every game of 40K you play, your ability to go back and re-analyze your losses (or wins, even) is limited by your very fallible human memory. Where you remember things being- or how you remember them happening- may or may not be anything like the way they actually were. With Vassal, you don't have to worry about that- if you save a game log or take screenshots (both rather simple affairs with the program), you can easily go back and look at what you and your opponent each did in sequence, figuring out where you went wrong and what you should have done instead. For a competitive player this is incredibly useful, as you want to be learning from every single game if possible.

3. Different Opponents

Unless you live in a major metropolitan area, chances are you only have access to one or two game stores within a reasonable distance of your home, which means your selection of opponents may be fairly limited. There may be armies (or, at the very least, army builds) you've never even had a chance to face- and that's assuming you're lucky enough to have a base of players who are interested in playtesting and competitive play at all. Vassal gives you access to a pool of folks who, by the nature of the program, are going to be more concerned with good play and good armies than they are the hobby aspects- which, for a tournament player, is exactly what you're looking for.

4. Try Before You Buy

Let's face it, 40K is an expensive, expensive game. If you're considering building a really weird army list, or starting a completely new army, it doesn't hurt to give it a whirl and see what you think of the playstyle first; maybe you'll love it, maybe you'll hate it, maybe it will be completely terrible. Obviously you can do this by proxying in tabletop 40K, but that brings up the issue of "are those Orks supposed to be Terminators or Paladins? And are the Big Shootas Halberds or Falchions this time?" Vassal lets you bypass all of that, and only rarely will you have to counts-as something online unless you are playing an extremely new army that hasn't received model updates yet.

5. Play Super-Cool and Sexy Internet Celebrities! 

Because you know you want to. :3

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*wonders if he's 'super-cool' or 'sexy'?

Vassal is a great device if you can't get to the LGS when you want. As long as you realise the limitations and understand it's not a complete substitute for RL 40k then you'll be fine.
4 replies · active 736 weeks ago
You're superpimp.
It combines the best of both worlds.
I am also a superpimp. Deal with it. :p
Gentlemen, gentlemen- we're ALL superpimps, there's no need to fight about it!
Should you not at least give a nod to concerns that playing 40k through vassal isn't kosher?

Talking about playing with Chaos Space Marine models and using the Blood Angel codex is one thing, encouraging the use of vassal to play 40k is quite another. I'm all for people making their own minds up about whether or not it is something they want to do, but should you not at least mention that there are questions about whether or not using vassal to play Warhammer 40,000 is even legal?

2c
12 replies · active 736 weeks ago
Downloading armybooks is also potentially illegal, same with downloading movies.

You Wouldn't Download A Space Marine!?
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abortedsoul · 736 weeks ago

EVERY TIME YOU DOWNLOAD A SPACE MARINE, THE Emperor CRIES.
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abortedsoul · 736 weeks ago

I didn't know people who were over 65 played 40k.

"Some really old, mostly white males in some building decided they didn't like you doing something. That is what it takes to make something illegal. That means it must be BAD."

If it happens to challenge the copyright of GW and they decide to take legal issue with it, those propagating the material (i.e. websites offering Vassal 40k for download) would be held culpable.

On another note, DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A GOOD PLACE TO PLAY 40K IN CHICAGO? I'm visiting my family until the 30th of March, when I move to Hawaii, and I can't find anything but the tiny GW strip-mall stores.
Uh, doesn't Chicago have one of the Battle Bunkers there? Dunno what else, but I'm sure there must be some FLGS as well.
I wasn't expressing a view on the matter.

I asked whether or not it would make sense to at least make a reference to vassal's position as an unauthorised product. What you might call a 'nod'.

I'm not interested in the IP/Downloading discussion per se. 3++ is a resource and I think there's a difference between promoting fully legal and appropriate activity and doing the same for more questionable activities.

It's not about whether or not people do it or not. It's about recognising that there is some controversy. You might download thousands of music tracks every day but you'd have to be a little bit silly to convince yourself that you're not doing anything wrong.

It's like speeding, you may not worry about being caught, you may even think the law is ridiculous, but to convince yourself that you are completely in the right is just silly.

Hence my original question. Should you not at least give a nod to concerns that playing 40k through vassal isn't kosher?

Answer that, if you will.
My thoughts on the subject essentially boil down to this:

Vassal does not provide any of the rules necessary to play the game. If you are playing Vassal, you have to either own a rulebook or have pirated one. If the former, you're already giving GW money and chances are high that you will give them more when you break down and buy a "real" army because you know people who play. If the latter, you are already pretty obviously unconcerned with the issue. In neither case is Vassal meaningfully affecting your decision to buy GW product negatively.

I realize that the Vassal 40K mod is an infringement of GW's copyright, but honestly, unless they put out a similar-quality program of their own, I don't really care. Technically every time we post an image from someone's websight here we are violating IP, but so long as we're not actively harming them (i.e. leeching bandwidth or claiming the pic to be ours), I think it is similarly unconcerning. Copyright and IP law have lagged so ridiculously behind modern technology most of us commit thousands or millions of dollars in "crime" every time we log onto a computer.
I used to play on Vassal alot, hell, I spent the most of my holidays once playing on it like, every second day. I was playing because I wanted to improve my game and my knowledge of the rules so that when I played real games I didn't get bored of just charging headlong across the board. Sure this practice hasn't made me great, but by watching and playing lots of games on vassal (and seeing so many different types of gamers) I've got a better understanding on how to play and enjoy it more now. I like to look back on battles and pick out what I did wrong and what I did right, and vassal's helped me do this.

...now I want to go on Vassal, dammit!
I follow.

I suppose I think it would have been worth mentioning the 'infringment' bit, even if only in the context of why the infringement is unimportant or pointlessly illegal.

I just think it should be noted as part of an article about vassal.
*shrug* It's not realistic to mention every facet of an issue in a single article. This one is a pro-Vassal speil; I make only the most passing of mentions of the disadvantages here. Discussing the downsides and ramifications of Vassal would be a totally different article.
No, because nobody gives a shit.
I'm not sure you're doing that argument any good by commenting. Normally people who don't care have better things to do.

You don't need to mention everything in every single article. I was thinking something like. "It's unofficial" or "GW don't seem to like it, but I think you should because..." Nothing crazy.

3++ posts a version of GW's disclaimer, why give a nod to that but not vassal? I didn't think it was such a big deal, I was just curious.
No, my point is that nobody cares enough about it not being technically legal or anything to bother with a disclaimer.
I am not sure that I follow you.
8 replies · active 736 weeks ago
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Roland Durendal · 736 weeks ago

I think his point is many in the 40K world, particularly those with internet affinity, already do things that aren't kosher, i.e. downloading armybooks, or you know sharing leaked codexes with each other :)
*finishes downloading album*
What?
I was trying to point out that he wasn't answering my question.

My point is that people do lots of things that aren't kosher. But nearly everyone who knows how to download something or share something knows that there is an element of doubt about how 'right' what they're doing is.

I'm not saying people shouldn't play vassal 40k, or talk about it, or share codexes even. Instead I think it is good practice to give a nod to those unanswered legality questions when you talk about such things.

Does that make sense?
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abortedsoul · 736 weeks ago

+1
+1 (Well everyone else was doing it...)
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TastyTaste · 736 weeks ago

Well said Puppy.

If anyone is interested in setting up games in advance take sign up or post in this group. Got some new members that joined it that might not use the chatbox.
http://bloodofkittens.com/network/groups/vassal-f...
2 replies · active 736 weeks ago
Shameless.
It's the best way!

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