
Capitalism is the driving force powering modern day Earth. It's everywhere you go, in all walks of life, and cannot be stopped.
Money is the root to all evil, greed is power, power comes from having money, women times square equals time, and time is money - therefore, women are evil.
The main attribute of capitalism is a lack of fair play.
This shouldn't be news to anyone. Business, both large and small, need to make money to make product.
You know this already, but like a good economist, I waffle on about things that don't matter, simply so I can sell my product (words) to you at a high price (time), but go about it in a way (humor) that makes you want to recommend my product to a new market (your social circuit). This is where GW's latest plan fails.
When you're setup to push literal tons of inexpensive to produce product, it's in your best interest to - you know - sell as much of it as possible, in as short amount a time, to as wide an audience as you can find, while making sickeningly ridiculous profits in the process. Sickriculous profits. Jewgold.

1) price your product too high for casual purchase. If your target market has 15 pounds in their pocket, you want to be priced at 15. More, and the purchase auomatically becomes something you have to think about. This is bad. You want the consumer to be lulled into a false sense of security - not have him worrying about his purchasing power.
2) go from an expensive material to the cheapest one, while increasing prices. I don't need to explain this, do I?
3) act 'evil.' All business is evil, but you shouldn't act like it. It makes people not want to buy your product, even if they've got cash. This is why phonelines were invented, and forums. Not because business cares about you, but because it makes them seem less evil. You know, like they're trying to sell 'an experience,' and not simply there to push chinese 5 cent figures down your throat, for the nice markup of 8 dollars a piece.
4) secrecy. People don't like this, at all. Real secrecy isn't 'secret.' You simply won't know that Apple are working on the iphone 6, because such outerwordly things don't concern you. You will, however, be told that there're all these new aps, gadgets, and a really cool feature you just gotta have on their way, and Apple'll tell you this a long, long time before it hits, to build interest, generate PREORDER SALES, and to appear even less 'evil.' Secrecy kills preorders. It kills interest, and makes your prey creatu- your target audience weary. "Should I buy these black beach 2000 galaxy warriors, or wait and see if they're gonna come out with white thunder 2060 galaxy express warriors next month? Hmmm. I think I'll hold onto my 15 pounds for now."
Even if you were living under a rock right up until ten minutes ago, it's obvious GW doesn't know anything about businessa. Right? No.
This is capitalism. Plans that make sense aren't paranoid enough to make money. GW's plan is focused on making money in the short-term, from little kids using their pocketmoney to purchase a handful of things, and dropping out in short order. Secondary income is delivered by the die-hards, who're always so very quick to argue that they hate the company, hate the games, hate Mat Ward, and are gonna stop 'soon! I just gotta get all these dark eldar fixed, man!' In other words, the addicts.
That's all fair and good, but what if you've alienated the secondary market with excessive evil (battered housewives can only take so much abuse), and your primary doesn't have enough cash to buy your product? Well, then you're in trouble, and have to increase prices further. If you don't, you won't be able to pay for your loss-making line of stores (that only sell your very own product, so should by tradition sell at a much, much lower price than all the other stores that push your product), your shitty hobby mag that's really a collection of glossy ads, big expenses paid to the heads of your top-heavy organization for 'being such great leaders in these turbulent times,' and so on.
Now we're doing a churn and burn. These always end badly.

So how does this all concern me?
Well, ladies and gentlemen, I'll tell you. It doesn't concern me one bit, for I stopped buying from GW itself years ago. Last year's price rise killed my desire to get new merch, and what comes in's from trades and second-hand.
Now that the evilness is at critical mass, my motivation to purchase GW branded things is at an all-time low.
However...
This doesn't affect my enjoyment of the games. GW putting up prices, restricting trade, releasing terrible resin casts, or what have you, means nothing to me, for it doesn't change the value of my collection.
I can still play with all my lovely toys. Should I need parts, I can ebay for them, or trade at a club.
Basically, the only thing that changed is I now want nothing to do with GW itself, but warhams grimdark is still my favorite game.
All you gamegirls and nerdboys out there.
You don't have to sell your stuff. The game didn't magically get worse just because GW failed - again.
No, warmahordes isn't the answer, and if you want a cheap game, with flowing rules, actual balance, or a sense of fariness, you certainly don't want to go from GW to GW-lite.
Rather, the answer is to keep doing what you were always doing, but making changes to the way you spend your money. Instead of paying tons for overpriced plastic at a store (web or otherwise), take your cash to ebay, or the local club. If you want GW to hurt, you buy second-hand. This way, you ensure that GW itself makes 0% profit from your purchases.

PS: I still don't rate warmahordes. Keep it out of the comments, lest the son of Khorne above eats your skull.
The moral of the story? Capitalism is never fair, but the lack of fairness goes both ways.
FlyinFungi · 724 weeks ago
As for buying from the second hand market. IDK, I feel bad for my local retailer (small, and independently owned). I like buying stuff from him cause I want to support the store. How am I going to support the store if I don't buy product? Warhammer WalletK is my major interest right now.
Hellgore · 724 weeks ago
I won't stop playing, but I will stop buying new stuff and certainly won't start a new army. And as it looks right now I will sell my Necron force of 7500 pts as I don't want to invest ridiculous amounts in the new blingbling like transports or stuff like that amd get my beloved terminator theme retconned. I'd rather go with my Grey Knights and Ultramarines.
slxiii · 724 weeks ago
Lyracian 59p · 724 weeks ago
GW's attitude of "we are the Ferrari of gaming, pay for the brand name" just does not work for me.
McNs · 724 weeks ago
http://dontquityourrdayjob.blogspot.com/2011/05/g...
Basically, GW is blatantly taking all the good of a globalized economy while doing their damn-dest to not take any of the bad (while passing the buck to the consumer). When people see a money grab this blatant, its bad for your brand.
Also: you should probably read up on Warmahordes; despite having similar names and color choices, Khorne and Skorne are nothing alike (if anything, Skorne are closer to Dark Elves). If you're gonna knock it, at least do it intelligently.
Prometheus 101p · 724 weeks ago
I feel that statements rather unsupported, isn't it? I'm addicted just as much as the rest of you to 40k, but warmachine has some powerful things going for it.
The rules are consistent, make sense, and there is almost never a need for a FAQ because they play test and state things very clearly, both in plain english (often), and always in technical rules speak (a la Magic The Gatheering).
It's just a superior system that allows more complex interaction, and allows the skill of the player to come through. 2d6 forms a nice bell curve that let's things be predictable without being dependable, vs the "roll 1d6" sickness that washes personal tactics out of 40K to a large extent.
Privateer Press updates all or at least most units in the game simultaneously. WHere necessary, they release an errata promptly to fix a problem (neither is often required, since they play-test well).
It's a lot cheaper to get started.
Now, it does have things going against it---Some people hate the style, (gorilla mechs, tiny heads), some people don't like steam punk, some don't like the smaller scale of it, and the collected tradition of 40k is hard to compete with.
But mark my words, warmachine will eclipse 40k eventually. It's already eclipsed Fantasy (according 11th company, I think it was)
P.S. If you didn't want it in the comments, shouldn't have trashed it.
2501 · 724 weeks ago
By the way, secrecy and buzz generate interest and make the public salivate. It's called marketing. When public interest reaches a fevered pitch and you finally release the dingus for sale, the public will crowd outside and buy, buy, buy. People preorder things based on that first glimpse of something shiny they want. If I produce a range of miniatures, you'll see partial photos and silhouettes for months before the big reveal, so when that happens, preorders will go through the roof. Best part is, with social media, I can easily get other people to advertise for me, just by talking amongst themselves.
As for capitalism being fair, well, life isn't fair. Sorry, but you had to hear it some time. I've had to struggle for every dollar I earn, while other people skate down easy street and never have to worry about money, ever. Capitalism is the fairest system in the world. If I come up with a winning product/concept/whatever tomorrow, capitalism will let me make a million off of it by working hard and marketing it correctly. A free capitalist society like America is the best place to do that, to boot. Why do you think people have been coming here for 200+ years? Try living under an oppressionist socialist regime and getting ahead. North Korea awaits you. Good luck.
GW raises prices. So what. Buy their stuff at insane discounts on eBay and stop whining about it. You can always fill your ranks with other models, either scratchbuilt or from some other company, and never give GW a dime. Is cash tight for you? Hey, me too. Save it for gas, utilities, rent and food and don't buy little toy soldiers.
Sheesh!
Rubbish Blog · 724 weeks ago
Its no different to other premium product manufacturers like Apple who raise their prices every year and charge a £100, $100 and €100 in different countries for the same product despite exchange rates.
Joe · 724 weeks ago
Bob · 724 weeks ago
Someone is buying the second hand stuff you are buying. That you wait for someone to buy the new shiny *flavour of the month*, get tired of it and sell it to you, you still encouraged Games Workshop indirectly. Your argument would be true if all people who sold GW products second hand never came back to the game. However, this is not true, in my experience. They usually come back. Not only that, most of them (like me) just like to have hobby projects and sell the stuff once it's converted/painted to buy more stuff to convert paint.
As you have no way of making sure that you are not buying from someone like that, you are implicitly helping GW by buying second hand. If you want to vote with your money and send a message to GW, then just don't buy ANY GW anymore until they change their policy. Once GW change their policy, then start buying again.
Capitalism isn't evil. It's super easy to understand. It's incentive based. If you have the incentive to keep buying over priced plastic and you can't hold youself. Then GW is doing the good thing by over pricing it's plastic. If on the other hand, they can't sell that over priced plastic to you, then they are loosing out. When they will loose out with enough people, they will try to reorganize and change their way. If at that point you agree with how they operate, then start buying again.
Moros · 724 weeks ago
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@oldgrue · 724 weeks ago
It beggars the question then: Have you actually read these rules or are you still reading net complaints?
SandWyrm · 724 weeks ago
winter 30p · 724 weeks ago
Also have to echo the comments of yay, you've got the GW trolls posting. Nice once!
Hiroshi · 724 weeks ago
Here's a shocker: GW crap isn't over-priced. It's priced to take advantage of it's position in the market. If you have the best product out there, why the hell wouldn't you charge a premium for it? Next are you going to argue that Ducati drop their prices to reflect those of Hyosung? I constantly read that GW is circling the toilet, that they're killing their own hobby, blah blah... The fact that they CAN keep raising their prices shows that they are doing something right, not that their screwing up. You can wail and gnash your teeth all you want; people are still buying GW product as fast as those Chinese sweatshops can make 'em. When you see drastic price cuts on new product being offered on Miniature Market (a la AT-43 ) then you know something's up.
There is just one kernel of intelligence in this turdcake that VT2 wrote:
"You don't have to sell your stuff. The game didn't magically get worse just because GW failed - again.
No, warmahordes isn't the answer, and if you want a cheap game, with flowing rules, actual balance, or a sense of fariness, you certainly don't want to go from GW to GW-lite."
But then he lets us down with:
"If you want GW to hurt, you buy second-hand. This way, you ensure that GW itself makes 0% profit from your purchases."
With this statement VT2 officially becomes "that guy." You know, the guy who pisses, moans and whines about everything, but doesn't have any reasonable solution to bring to the table. He wants to punish GW for turning a profit, then gives us a solution that profits GW - even if indirectly. Frugal gamers aren't "that guy." They know that the REAL solution is not who or where you buy your gaming stuff from, it's getting the most bang for your buck.
When the prices climb too high they don't whinge and flip GW the bird on a blog, they scratch-build stuff, they use other model lines... it's crazy, but they do something PRODUCTIVE with their time! There are people that are using 3" PVC caps as drop pods. That can save you $15-$20 per pod. Many of us are casual gamers anyway, so why not use some other company's miniatures. They may not look as nice as the official plastic crack, but who the hell cares when you save enough on your Warhammer army to fund your foray into Wamahordes. My first Deathwing Terminators were made from a box of Grenadier Space Rangers, which are still being made today!
And just to head your next baseless argument off at the pass VT2 (no, I am not psychic, you're just that predictable), even the guys that MUST use GW's minis for tourney play shouldn't be bitching about prices as the official tourneys are a value added bonus that is really paid for by all of us choads who buy the product, but never go to the tournaments. So basically we pay the same price as you "competitive gamers," but get LESS value for our money!
Narceron · 724 weeks ago
GW is like magic crack, you have to have more of it, no matter the cost. What makes it magical, it completely makes the other games in the store invisible...don't believe quiz someone about a random game system next time you bump into them at the game store. Bonus points for asking them about a system that is situated right next to the GW stuff, :)
That is the thing about GW that amazes me, they are either in a dark pact with an infernal power or they are doing a great job somewhere.
Kadeton · 724 weeks ago
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rexscarlet · 724 weeks ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
A Prius and a Porsche weigh the same, and use the same basket of goods/amount of raw materials, yes? Therefore they should cost the same?
I like gasoline price as an example, so lets use it:
I need to drive to work in a car (as there is no public transportation or carpool available and work is too far to walk or ride a skateboard/bike/etc.) my car; a Cadillac CTS Sport-wagon only gets 21mpg (on average), and gas prices have just doubled. What are my options besides chewing the end of a 12 gauge? Spending time looking for employment that pays more, or is half as far away, or tightening my belt, etc?
Lets say I trade in my car for a something (like a scooter) that gets 42mpg? Even if a Prius got 42mpg on average, I would have to replace my CTS, as adding an additional payment and insurance to my monthly budget would not be cost effective.
Or:
Trade in my CTS for a huge loss (instantly) or try and sell my non-economic car to a private party for more than what the trade in would bring, which could take some time, as I continue to devalue my car by putting more miles on it and continue to pay exorbitant gas prices?
See VT2, there is no one solution to my dilemma, but no matter which way I go, there is going to be an increase in costs…
These are just the economics of an individual, imagine what a company has to deal with, VT2. One reason why prices climb even though costs don't, as in your example #2, is that perhaps they don't sell as much product. If they are projected to sell fewer Tactical Squads even though they are moving to plastic, for example, then they may very well still need to raise the price to show a profit over the last year. GW has to juggle the costs of manufacturing their toys, transporting them, and marketing them. All the while costs are increasing, and their Chinese business partners are watching for opportunities to raise prices on the manufacturing end. They have shareholders breathing down their necks to show a profit year after year. They have competitors gouging out a slice of their pie. And they are a corporation made up of living breathing individuals, many with mouths to feed... all of them with a vested interest in the success of their company.
Your other arguments don't even merit a response.
However, I did notice the reference to "jewgold." In addition to being a highly offensive slur, you display your absolute ignorance for what it really means. No definition of jew gold can I find that fits your ridiculous statement. Racist imbeciles do not belong on websites devoted to the game I have enjoyed for a quarter of a century.
Vinsanity · 724 weeks ago
@MadeFromCorpses · 724 weeks ago
We know that GW has just completed a massive cost-cutting restructure to pay off the debts they incurred when the Lord of the Rings bubble burst. We know it was costing them £1.5m just to pay the interest on those debts. We also know that resin is cheaper than metal, but retooling the factories, the process, the quality assurance, the training, etc isn't. We also know that UK inflation is around 4.5% this year, that's quite a hike on its own. Of course, we also know their annual profits were around £16m last year, but it must be pointed out that they were at a loss of £2.7m in 2007. This is the closest they've come to their £14m profit they had way back in 2005. Investors were scared, the company had to take measures to get itself back on track and draw in new investment after they massively over-stretched in the LotR golden days (which they were stupid to do, but that's another debate in itself).
I'm not saying they're not using this as an excuse to do another annual price hike, and their "trade embargo" to prop up their massively over-inflated prices abroad is the sign of true evil rather than solve the problem at its core. I'm not apologising for them, just saying there are more factors going on here than us, as the "dedicated" group, like to appreciate. To simplify it in this manner is a disservice to rational debate.
Lobukia · 724 weeks ago
EDIT: OK, MFCorpses answered some of these while I typed this... but what about hard sales figures (the actual health of the 40K line)?
Dan · 724 weeks ago
I would rather focus on the things they can change such as getting faqs out on time, more play testing (preferably by some competitively minded players) before release to reduce the need for faqs, allowing wayland etc to ship abroad (they technically make more money by selling product through 3rd parties as they dont have to pay for the running costs of their own stores) and better community support for 3rd party events such as adepticon etc. If enough people suggest these kind of changes they might listen. Vapid whining like this about prices might make you feel better, but it distracts from things we can change and will never result in less price increases. Its like telling someone who is running a marathon to stop breathing so heavily, if they did they would pass out.
Warflake · 724 weeks ago
MadPersian 37p · 724 weeks ago
A competitive monopoly does not make it's greatest profit by selling the maximum production it can manage to produce. That's generally (though not exactly) how commodity producers make their greatest profits. A competitive monopolist makes it's greatest profit by selling a quantity of product at a point where it's marginal revenue equals marginal cost. The price at that point is the price for that quantity on their demand curve. Follow this link for a clear graph showing where a competitive monopoly should be producing and the price they should be charging: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopolistic_competi...
Basically, it means that depending on their demand curve and their cost structure, they may make more profit by selling less product at a higher price. This is what all successful competitive monopolists do. This is what Gillette does, Toyota does, Microsoft does, etc... There is nothing evil about this. It's just good economics.
Stating that they don't know how to run their business is a bit silly. They have the information on their cost structure. They have information about their demand curve for their various products. They have gone from year end losses in 2007 to 16 m pounds profit in 2010. They clearly know what they are doing.
As fans we may not agree with how often they update FAQs, whether or not any given codex sucks or is balanced or not; and we may very well complain about it. However, complaining about the way they run their business and justifying your complaints by using bad economics doesn't make you look good and means you will lose credibility in the eyes of your readers.
Also, it really doesn't help your credibility to use terms like "jewgold" in a fairly offensive way in your post. I was under the impression that 3++ was trying to widen it's reach and increase it's credibility. Being profane isn't the way to go about that. Save that stuff for your personal blogs and twitter posts.
Rubbish Blog · 724 weeks ago
Er no none of that is true just like none of the the drivel you all peddle on the Internet is true. But I can write it all the same and not back it up just like you.
No one has seen a fine cast figures, no one knows how much they cost to make, no one knows how many problems the fluctuating tin costs have caused to such a large business. Jeez resin figures sound cool but let's see what the qualitys like before we get upset. Oh no hang on they're evil cos they want their business to make money. Just like those computer game companies who charge $50 for a console game that's made out of a 20 cent DVD.
Doesn't matter if they're easier to work with or more detailed or that it controls costs or makes GW more stable and less likely to go under and ensures we get new cool minis. No it's all bad and evil and I'm boycotting it along with fuel, food, houses and everything else that's gone up in price.
Yea so flame me for loving my hobby and being a realist. Soo fed up with the negativity from pseudo net dickheads, I mean celebs.
Prometheus 101p · 724 weeks ago
recklessfable 29p · 724 weeks ago
Kirby, this crap, and this author, should be deleted.
@SackOfOwls · 724 weeks ago
I hate the GW Orks. Doesn't matter how good they technical quality of the model is. I think they look ridiculous most of the time (and not in a good way). Mantic's new Orcs on the other hand, I think, look amazing. At a much much much lower price.
The price for Warhmachine an a per model basis is pretty much the same as GW models, but there is a huge difference. None of the models in Warmachine/Hordes are fillers. All ten of my Satyxis Raiders are useful. They aren't a delivery system/ablative wounds for the one dude you give a shit about with a fancy weapon. You might have 30 Skeletons on the table in Fantasy, but they aren't worth much more than wound markers. It's a perception of value on the table that is horribly skewed.
Now people are right. GW is a company and as a company they can charge whatever they think they can get away with. As a customer, I don't give a fuck. I have brand loyalty with anything I buy. I will buy from you as long as I think you give me a good product for as cheap as I can find it, if you can't I will go someplace else to get it. That's all there is to it. I hold no grudges against GW. I just don't think their product is worth it any more. I like playing strategy games and there are plenty out there.
By the way, I don't care about GW having to pay for their stores. I am in America, there isn't a GW store within a days drive of me. I've never stepped foot in one. I can support my local game store just as easily buying board games, MtG, Pokemon, or any other game system.